Paul Falgout

@krausest I'm not thrilled with this tagging of Mn. The implementation certainly is data-driven. Certainly willing to make modifications to adjust it if necessary, but I'm having a hard time...

I suppose I understand the argument from the purely data-driven perspective, _but_ "direct dom manipulation" is not a good indication of that. In backbone for instance, view's render into the...

It seems better for data driven to be an accomplishment, than a red flag for not doing it. But I think my main point is that direct dom manipulation alone...

The declarative/imperative argument to me is mostly ideological. In this case, Backbone does not have a way to imperatively update a view's root element after construction. This is due primarily...

Granted it's hard to enforce exactly, but I do think it's reasonable to mark anything previously described as an error or cheat. Otherwise I wonder if there's a way to...

Marionette by itself looks the same, it's the jquery bundle that's so different. So something with jquery I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Doesn't seem like jquery 3.4.0 addresses anything like that, so...

https://github.com/jashkenas/backbone/commit/18fba5772430f667c0d3cfb88d880039381c25fa

https://github.com/jashkenas/backbone/issues/413#issuecomment-2560333 https://github.com/jashkenas/backbone/issues/976 https://github.com/jashkenas/backbone/issues/1142#issuecomment-4694082

My initial reaction is to suspect that handling the first case and not the second is too costly a check to add to `collection.add` for the value of the error......

> For example, one could push multiple new records onto a collection New models without `id`s won't be a concern here. That's currently possible. Primarily I think the most striking...