Matt

> does that really matter? Yes, or I wouldn't ask you to fix it. Having a keyboard focus indicator when not keyboard focussed is not a great user experience.

> How the focus style is currently implemented in this PR seems identical to how the platform behaves Not true: (Although that example lacks a keyboard focus indicator, which we...

> @mbrookes please see https://youtu.be/ilj2P5-5CjI I did, thanks, and it reinforces what I've been saying all along. (You did watch it before you posted it, right?)

Sorry, I can't get behind this PR. The notion of "creating silos" is more confusing than what we already describe – all developers that work on the front end code...

> To be clear: these developers need to have a license too under the current terms. Correct. Whereas, "to be clear", you appear (based on the llink to https://www.notion.so/mui-org/MUI-X-Pricing-changes-2022-f17df701bf10406884a3204dcb8a3a3f#f50eb9adbc33495b8876d69cc69350d1, the...

> I think this is an important question to cover in our FAQ The design system question isn't frequently asked – I think it has been asked exactly once. But...

> I wonder why many comments marked as spam? Comments that add nothing to the discussion are marked as off-topic to help make it easier to follow the active discussion....

satya164 1 & 2a: Since the CSS sets the font color of placeholder text for the underlying textfield, before which it's transparent, there's no FOUC or re-layout. What's the underlying...

> we don't know if certain users realy on this Okay, let's take a step back here and be pragmatic. Nobody but _nobody_ who is using IE11, an 8 year...

Sounds like you're saying you prefer option two?