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feat: add a delta G field for reactions/metabolites
Description of the issue:
- It would be great if delta G field can be added for each reaction/metabolite
- Metacyc offers this information at pH 7.3 and ionic strength 0.25.
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@feiranl thanks for posting the issue.
This could be a useful feature for GEMs. It can be added as a reaction-associated feature, according to the MetaCyc scheme.
Nice idea! Should we consider using delta G values to determine reaction reversibility? At least, it would be nice to have such function in RAVEN beyond MetaCyc reconstruction module
@simas232 if SEED applies this value for determining reversibility?
Not sure about SEED, but I recall that GEMs with reaction reversibility info determined from delta G had feasibility problems. Let's think and discuss about this functionality over weeks before doing an actual implementation.
I hereby fully support delta G for rxns inclusion in RAVEN model structure. If we include the corresponding info for mets, we need to think how to store this. Probably in similar way like S matrix.
Interesting proposal, should this also stored in SBML when the model is exported? If so, in which field? As far as I know, SBML L3V1 FBCv2 does not have a field for such information.
Reaction specific delta G values can be stored in modelSBML.reaction.notes while using e.g. "deltaG:" identifier string
Which deltaG value should be stored? @feiranl mentions that MetaCyc provides this information at pH 7.3 and ionic strength 0.25. But the standard Gibbs free energy (ΔG°') is normally measured at pH 7. Probably not a major difference, but it would be good to define a specific condition and provide Gibbs free energies for those.
@edkerk MetaCyc does provide deltaG only at unique condition (pH 7.3 and ionic strength 0.25). What other conditions do you suggest?
It is important to have a clear definition of the condition, as changing any parameter will change the Gibbs free energy. Standard Gibbs free energy (ΔG°') is defined at pH 7, 298 K and 1 M concentration of reactants. MetaCyc's condition at pH 7.3 is different, but probably close enough to not result in drastically different values.
What temperature is defined for MetaCyc's condition? It is important to define the condition precisely, because if a reaction is not in MetaCyc then the Gibbs free energy could be calculated by alternative approaches but it should then be for the same condition, so we don't end up with a model filled with Gibbs free energies from very different conditions.
While I would personally prefer standard Gibbs free energy (ΔG°') at pH 7, 298 K and 1 M, as this is even mentioned in biology textbooks, it is probably more convenient to use MetaCyc's condition (and it will not be so much different anyway).
tl;dr: Precisely define MetaCyc's condition and use the same condition for other methods to estimate deltaG values.
@Hao-Chalmers, there must be a basis why MetaCyc curators decided to include delta G values upon pH 7.3, not pH 7. Could you please write a quick question to them and ask about this? You may thereby ask about the availability of additional details for conditions these delta G values were measured upon (concentration of reactants and products, temperature, pressure).