Ali Lloyd

Yes, I still think these would be helpful.

@peter-b Yes, I think so.

I think http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17791 (at least) could be fixed using the `ungroupGroup` message

@montegoulding I think we've ended up ignoring this for now and waiting for open language! The implementations might still come in handy at that point though.

@livecode-vulcan review ok 1da46a4

@livecodestephen @runrevmark So do the docs need to be tweaked here or is this a decision to be deferred until dp 7?

@montegoulding I think this might be really useful, but *more* for the IDE tests than the engine ones, because currently if I fix a bug in the IDE I have...

I must admit I didn't go through the logic that way - my reasoning was that if the control is either invisible or unopened then it never needs to call...

@peter-b No, it should be bumped.

Is there any reason this shouldn't go into develop-8.1? Also it needs a bugfix note. Also, it could have tests if this https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/5525 is merged, but that's probably optional :-)