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shields no longer have 100% guaranteed chance to block everything

Open TheRyeGuyWhoWillNowDie opened this issue 2 years ago • 10 comments

Theos brought this gem of an override file on the discord. At first I didn't believe him, because a 100% block on shields seemed so stupid, but testing on a private server proves that it's true. What the fuck. Testing with a varedited shield with a ton of HP, nothing gets through the shield. Not bullets, not melee, not thrown stuff. The only thing that gets through is, obviously, energy weapons. These things can be printed from the security protolathe for essentially no cost once a very basic technology has been researched. They're an extra 75HP for you, with absolutely no downside. I made this PR whilst intending to tone down how strong shields are, but this explains why they are that way!

Changelog

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tweak: shields are now chance based instead of being an extra 75 HP sponge for you. I don't care if this is how it was prebase, we're not prebase anymore. /:cl:

TheRyeGuyWhoWillNowDie avatar Aug 20 '22 01:08 TheRyeGuyWhoWillNowDie

i ded

LoliconSlayer avatar Aug 20 '22 01:08 LoliconSlayer

Good.

RG4ORDR avatar Aug 20 '22 01:08 RG4ORDR

This was an intentional pr that was made, and I prefer it that way because I hate rng in combat. Also shields have zero block chance when you hit the wielder from the side or behind, which can be abused in an open space.

Marmio64 avatar Aug 20 '22 02:08 Marmio64

RNG is undesirable to have in combat (the cool kids will remember how disarm used to work), This is an ided, Shields are exploitable, especially if you are not trying to outrobust shield enjoyers by yourself.

All in all, I would say no. Sorry you had a frustrating time with them.

Altoids1 avatar Aug 20 '22 04:08 Altoids1

RNG is a shit mechanic. Reduce the health if you want more attacks to be able to go through.

00ze-cyclone avatar Aug 20 '22 04:08 00ze-cyclone

shields are supposed to be 50% block chance not 100%

health is not the issue

RNG is not an outright negative game mechanic and there are plenty places where it can belong unintrusively

block chance is why one may opt to choose buckshot over slug rounds for instance

ynot01 avatar Aug 20 '22 22:08 ynot01

Can something be considered for shit like xeno's acid spit then. I don't mind shields getting slapped a bit since they arguably need a nerf but removing the one not-even-hard counter to a xeno shoving all its hard stuns at you is just hell.

Skrem7 avatar Aug 21 '22 15:08 Skrem7

Can something be considered for shit like xeno's acid spit then. I don't mind shields getting slapped a bit since they arguably need a nerf but removing the one not-even-hard counter to a xeno shoving all its hard stuns at you is just hell.

Mech, also xenos suck anyways and shields being OP doesn't help with xenomorphs having a billion stuns

TheRyeGuyWhoWillNowDie avatar Aug 21 '22 19:08 TheRyeGuyWhoWillNowDie

So you are just removing our custom code?

JamieD1 avatar Aug 28 '22 14:08 JamieD1

So you are just removing our custom code?

Yes, all this does is remove the override file, and makes shields work using the procs in shields.dm, which makes them chance-based (the file lists all the chances, wooden bucklers have lower block chance)

TheRyeGuyWhoWillNowDie avatar Aug 29 '22 04:08 TheRyeGuyWhoWillNowDie