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Noah LSM Version Used by WRF

Open GGDLW opened this issue 1 year ago • 8 comments

Hello,

I am here today to find out which version of the Noah LSM that the WRF model uses. I was unsure which README document would contain this information. I want to be sure that the version of Noah that the LIS model is running is the same as the version of the Noah LSM that WRF is running.

GGDLW avatar Jul 15 '24 16:07 GGDLW

@cenlinhe Can you comment, if you know? Thanks!

weiwangncar avatar Jul 15 '24 16:07 weiwangncar

Unfortunately, I am not sure about the Noah version in WRF, but I guess the LIS Noah version is the Noah version in WRF v3.9. It is a question for David Mocko from LIS team who I believe implemented the Noah v3.9 to LIS.

cenlinhe avatar Jul 15 '24 17:07 cenlinhe

I am currently using LIS 7.3, which had Noah version 3.6, does that mean that the version of WRF I am using (4.5) also uses Noah version 3.6?

GGDLW avatar Jul 15 '24 17:07 GGDLW

No, I do not think so. LIS includes both Noah v3.9 and Noah v3.6. So the Noah version in LIS was probably determined by the WRF version.

cenlinhe avatar Jul 15 '24 17:07 cenlinhe

I got the news that WRF version 4.5.2 uses Noah LSM version 5.0 according to this thread: https://forum.mmm.ucar.edu/threads/noah-lsm-version.18191/

GGDLW avatar Jul 16 '24 16:07 GGDLW

Noah is different from Noah-MP. Noah-MP is now version 4.5 in WRFv4.5.2, and Noah-MP v5 is going to be coupled with WRF for the next year's major release.

cenlinhe avatar Jul 16 '24 16:07 cenlinhe

Would it make sense for the Unified Noah LSM (sf_surface_physics option 2) to be the same version (4.5) as the Noah Multi-Parameter (sf_surface_physics option 4) in that case?

GGDLW avatar Jul 16 '24 16:07 GGDLW

The versioning of Unified Noah LSM is not very clear. Previously, people always use the same WRF version for the Unified Noah LSM version, but there is no official document or versioning for Noah now because we have stopped updating the Noah code (unless users want to include any physics update or bug fixes).

cenlinhe avatar Jul 16 '24 17:07 cenlinhe