Keybindings to less / vim

[inoperable]

Any way to change default keybindings? I very like the pager but im so used to less vimish keys i would love to set those in moar as well.

[walles]

Which key bindings are you missing specifically?

[inoperable]

Vi/m hjkl style defaults: h - left, j - down, k - up, l - right, G - bottom, gg - top alternative: hjkl as above but instead of G/gg: y - page down, u - end, i - home, p - page up / - search, n - next match, N - previous match

a lot of term utils use vim style by default or let you easily fall back to that style (incl. shells) moar shouldn't reinvent a proven concept and become a muscle memory irritant :-)

Implementing a Keybinding settings with some default layouts as an example, that would be the optimal solution - so users can configure it to their needs.

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Which key bindings are you missing specifically?

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[walles]

What you describe does not match less's behavior, at least not out of the box.

Do you have some specific less config to get these bindings?

[rbutoi]

I very like the pager but im so used to less vimish keys i would love to set those in moar as well.

+1

Do you have some specific less config to get these bindings?

None, it's the out-of-the-box config - just that the usual readline(3) binds like Ctrl-N for next line, Ctrl-P for previous, Alt-< and Alt-> for beginning/end of file work in less, and not in moar (and they do in other replacements like most.

[walles]

@rbutoi I just tried what you said in less and:

• ^p and ^n worked as you describe, so I added them
• ALT-< and ALT-> had no effect, and I also get them as ≤ and ≥ which probably won't work on all systems, so I don't see how to implement those reliably

Also, neither Alt-< nor Alt-> are documented on the help screen of less (press h to view it).

[rbutoi]

ALT-< and ALT-> had no effect, and I also get them as ≤ and ≥ which probably won't work on all systems, so I don't see how to implement those reliably

It should be plain > or Alt-> (AKA ESC->).

Also, neither Alt-< nor Alt-> are documented on the help screen of less (press h to view it).

They are under ESC, since Alt becomes ESC in the terminal:

       g or < or ESC-<
              Go to line N in the file, default 1 (beginning of file).  (Warning: this may be slow if N is large.)

       G or > or ESC->
              Go to line N in the file, default the end of the file.  (Warning: this may be slow if N is large, or if  N  is
              not specified and standard input, rather than a file, is being read.)

[walles]

Esc (same as ESC, short for "Escape") it's used for exiting moar (and a lot of other things on different systems), so that's not something I'll be supporting as a prefix.

Alt becomes ESC in the terminal

Just out of curiosity, where did you get this information? In my mind they are totally different things and I don't understand how they could ever "become" each other?

[inoperable]

Again, why not do a conf file moar can parse and users can map whatever they like to the keys and you won't be doing stuff that's wasting your time ;-)

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Esc (same as ESC, short for "Escape") it's used for exiting moar (and a lot of other things on different systems), so that's not something I'll be supporting as a prefix.

Alt becomes ESC in the terminal

Just out of curiosity, where did you get this information? In my mind they are totally different things and I don't understand how they could ever "become" each other?

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[rbutoi]

Just out of curiosity, where did you get this information? In my mind they are totally different things and I don't understand how they could ever "become" each other?

I gave a handwavy explanation since I'm not too well-versed in it either--it has to to with encoding of keyboard sequences in virtual terminals. ESC is apparently also ^[, see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xterm#Make_'Alt'_key_behave_as_on_other_terminal_emulators.

[Schweber]

Again, why not do a conf file moar can parse and users can map whatever they like to the keys and you won't be doing stuff that's wasting your time ;-)

@walles Could you please implement this option? I'm using a non-standard keyboard layout and this would help me out a lot.

[walles]

If somebody wants to make a PR for configurable key bindings I'd not be against that, but I won't be implementing this myself.

[GNOMES]

So not Vim's "Shift + GG"/gg, but I have noticed that Moar performs identical to Less with "G" going to the bottom. The problem is that "g" doesn't go up to the top like it does in Less. Instead it brings up a "go to line:" bar.

As a drop in replacement shouldn't it follow Less's behavior?

I support the idea of Vim like bindings, but I am not familiar with Go to have a go (heh) at making a PR.