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Script styles and typefaces?

Open xfq opened this issue 5 years ago • 6 comments

https://w3c.github.io/clreq/#four_commonly_used_typefaces_for_chinese_composition :

There are four main typefaces in use for Chinese characters:

I think Song, Kai, Hei, and Fangsong are more like script styles than typefaces, because each of them contains many variations, and each of these variations is a typeface (see https://w3c.github.io/clreq/#fig-song for example).

xfq avatar Mar 06 '20 10:03 xfq

fwiw, alreq these days refers to this kind of thing as 'writing styles' (see https://w3c.github.io/alreq/#h_writing_styles)

r12a avatar Mar 06 '20 13:03 r12a

correct, those should not be called as "typefaces". "Writing styles" is good for me.

ryukeikun avatar Apr 08 '20 10:04 ryukeikun

But wasn't Fangsong a specific type of type face following the characteristic of certain calligraphist from ancient time that follow the writing style of his time?

c933103 avatar Apr 09 '20 00:04 c933103

https://www.w3.org/International/articles/typography/fontstyles.en.html and https://www.w3.org/TR/typography/#fonts use the term "font styles".

xfq avatar Nov 10 '22 08:11 xfq

Just a note on that. Alreq continues to use the term 'writing styles', but it seemed to me when i wrote the article that 'font styles' felt more intuitive, so i used that term. It does, of course, need to be distinguished from the CSS concept of 'font-style', but i thought it still worked OK. I'm not aware of any industry terminology that is widespread. Titus and i had a similar discussion before settling on 'writing style' for alreq (some years ago, now).

r12a avatar Nov 10 '22 11:11 r12a

I think "Writing style" in arabic writing is more similar to the like of Big Seal Script in CJK from various nations in warring state period, instead of the different writing types of Fangsong and such.

c933103 avatar Nov 11 '22 14:11 c933103

There is a problem: a font is one of the implementations of a typeface, so using "font style" may cause ambiguity, because it confuses the concepts of different levels. "Types of typefaces" may be a better term.

xfq avatar Apr 16 '25 11:04 xfq

@ryukeikun's suggestion: "typeface genre" or "typeface category".

xfq avatar Apr 16 '25 11:04 xfq

@eisoch's suggestion: "We should have a W3C-wide, script-independent term for this concept, preferably defined in a W3C-wide glossary, and preferably avoid the word 'font' (for the same reason as https://github.com/w3c/clreq/issues/275#issuecomment-2809272520 )."

xfq avatar Apr 17 '25 00:04 xfq

After trying various alternatives with the help of Co-Pilot AI, how about 'typeface style' ?

Typeface style refers to the distinct visual characteristics of a typeface, including its weight, width, contrast, and decorative elements. It determines the overall aesthetic and readability of text. Typeface styles can range from serif, sans-serif, script, display, and monospaced, each serving different design and functional purposes

See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typeface#Style_of_typefaces (there's a short subsection on Chinese)

r12a avatar Apr 17 '25 09:04 r12a

May 19, 2025 Meeting: Eric was more inclined to "typeface genre", but he did not object to "typeface style", and neither did anyone else, so the final result was to use "typeface style".

xfq avatar May 20 '25 01:05 xfq

@eisoch's suggestion: "We should have a W3C-wide, script-independent term for this concept, preferably defined in a W3C-wide glossary, and preferably avoid the word 'font' (for the same reason as #275 (comment) )."

Working on this in https://github.com/w3c/i18n-actions/issues/174 .

xfq avatar Jul 03 '25 14:07 xfq