Joe Pea

I'm disappointed you want that for the language, and in the position of power you have, with no explanation You provide no evidence why the current order is actually good,...

What did I propose that would break the web? And yes, it *is* a position of power if you are a TC39 member and the only thing you can say...

No browser has implemented decorators yet... There is no single web page relying on decorators, if no browsers have even shipped decorators. In case you thought I was saying change...

For reference, and if you read what I proposed, I did not propose anyone change how existing classes work. I proposed that decorator application order, and decorator initializer order, be...

That's a valid opinion. I feel that this hard rule, that doesn't help any decorator authors very specifically, makes decorators more difficult, and makes the language more difficult. Source ordered...

@ljharb You are _merely_ saying that decorator applications (and initializations which include new constructs that don't align with previous class semantics) run in some order _loosely_ based on the order...

> I still think that the fundamental problem you're running up against is that it's dangerous to call methods before field initialization is complete. It is not possible to blanket...