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Update screenshots
With the release of Thunderbird 60, could you please add Thunderbird screenshots at the official Thunderbird website at: https://www.thunderbird.net/ ?
For an example, LibreOffice has screenshots at: https://www.libreoffice.org/ → Discover → Screenshots https://www.libreoffice.org/discover/screenshots/
This may be helpful for marketing Thunderbird 60 as journals can write articles which display current screenshots.
Another benefit is that the screenshots could be used in software repositories. For example: https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.Thunderbird Code which is available at: https://github.com/flathub/org.mozilla.Thunderbird/blob/master/org.mozilla.Thunderbird.appdata.xml
Thunderbird user interface will be updated with the release of version 60.0: https://www-stage.thunderbird.net/thunderbird/60.0/releasenotes/
Thank you
I agree that all our screenshots need updating. We use one on the main page, and a lot on the Features page. I'm not sure the right solution is just a new page that does nothing but dump a bunch of screenshots. I think it is better when they are used to show a narrative about the important features/benefits of the product.
It's actually a lot of work to update the main page because we have different screenshots per OS and per language as can be seen here, although not for all languages. We may wish to consider an update of the Feature page copy in addition to updating screenshots. This is mostly up to @ryanleesipes.
Thank you @Sancus for your response. @ryanleesipes could you please make all the images on the Feature page solid, i.e. without a gradient. The gradient/fade does not show very well at: https://www.flathub.org/apps/details/org.mozilla.Thunderbird.
Completely solid (i.e. no gradient to transparent) would also seem to work better for journalist too.
What do you think?
Thank you
May I advise using up-to-date OSes for the screenshots as well? e.g.
- Windows 10
- macOS Sierra
- insert linux distro here
I hate to be crass but, the mix of windows 7, horribly out-of-date macOS, and linux (to be fair, Ubuntu hasn't changed ambience that much in quite some time) gave me a really bad impression of what is otherwise a good project.
I agree, this is important. @Sancus do you have any information about who generated these screenshots last time? I'm putting this on my list, but any help is appreciated.
@ryanleesipes Old incomplete bug here that might be helpful. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1263907
It's not difficult to do these updates, it's pretty simple to install different localizations of TB and take screenshots, it's just time consuming.
I think before someone does updates though you should spec out what precise screenshots we want. If we are updating the main page with a different size and more zoomed out screenshot for example it would be a waste of time to take 60 screenshots on 3 OSes and 20 languages for the current layout. And same for the Features page. So figure out the final layouts and copy first, define dimensions and locations in the app second, take screenshots third :)
Ideally, all screenshots should have a 16:9 aspect ratio, and should have a width that is no smaller than 620 pixels. They should also be in be in PNG or JPEG format. PNG is the preferred format; JPEG should only be used when screenshots include large photographs or other images where a lossy format like JPEG may compress better. https://www.freedesktop.org/software/appstream/docs/chap-Metadata.html
Would it help if somebody (like me) just went through the website identifying screenshots that need replacing and replace them? I can take them for Windows, Mac OS, and Ubuntu (or whatever distro -- I can take them using a USB if I don't usually run it), making sure they meet your specs or at least match dimensions of the current old ones.
@jotasprout that would be great! Somehow they also need to be localized, if you have ideas as to how we could automate that it would be really good.
The biggest job is updating the main page screenshots, because there are 6 per language, and many languages. There is (mac, linux, windows) for each language with low res(1048 x 260) and high res(2096 x 520) versions. These screenshots are here: https://github.com/thundernest/thunderbird-website/tree/master/media/img/l10n in directory {lang}/thunderbird/landing/ and the filenames are screenshot-windows.png, screenshot-windows-high-res.png and so on.
Current languages with screenshots are: de, en-US, es-ES, fr, it, ja, pl, pt-BR, ru
It's important that the screenshots all be those specific sizes and of the exact same part and sized Thunderbird window so they look uniform except for the language text. There is probably a way to automate this but it likely requires a different solution for each OS.
The features page screenshots aren't nearly as hard to update since they don't have OS or localized variants, they're all just Windows. They're also less important since that page is far less frequently viewed than the front page.
It's as easy as changing the language in the International/Language settings, correct? Is it okay if one or two languages are updated at a time or do they all have to be done at once?
Once issue https://github.com/nohamelin/simple-locale-switcher/issues/18 is resolved, the Simple Locale Switcher add-on could make the process easier.
I don't see why we couldn't update some to begin with @jotasprout - what OSes do you have access to?
@ryanleesipes Windows, Mac OS, and Ubuntu (or whatever distro -- I can take them using a USB if I don't usually run it).
It's as easy as changing the language in the International/Language settings, correct?
I don't think there is an easy way to switch languages in stock Thunderbird, no. You need to download the language packs also which would be here: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/thunderbird/releases/60.2.1/win64/xpi/
The simple locale switcher will make it much easier when it works with 60.
Is it okay if one or two languages are updated at a time or do they all have to be done at once?
Yeah I think this is fine.
I'm about to install Thunderbird on my Mac -- would y'all prefer I updated the OS to Mojave first or is High Sierra okay? I stopped being an immediate updater years ago and would prefer to wait. My laptop runs on Bodhi which is based on Ubuntu but would you rather I take the screenshots in "regular" Ubuntu? I'm going to guess the layout looks the same -- just the theme would be different, correct?
@Sancus I meant the language settings in the respective OSes, not the app itself. It sounds like the OS settings wouldn't make a difference unless I had the correct language packs and/or "simple locale switcher."
@jotasprout how significant do you think the look is changed on Mac OS between High Sierra and Mojave? Either way, it has to be newer than our current screenshots. So I think that is fine.
As far as regular Ubuntu, if you want to do these perhaps you could just use the new Ubuntu theme when you do the screenshots then change back afterward. What does it look like with the theme you are using in Bodhi? Feel free to attach a screenshot.
I haven't even looked at Mojave. I don't imagine it looks different at all. Re: Bodhi and my ancient distro ... I'm using 14.04 on an 11 year old laptop so I'm going to have to install Ubuntu on my iMac (my copy of Thunderbird on the laptop isn't even compatible with Lightning) or use a USB for that ... so I'll just start with those High Sierra and Ubuntu screenshots ... in the next day or two.
No problem, @ryanleesipes. I have today off so I'm upgrading to Mojave (so the screenshots stay current even just a little bit longer), installing Ubuntu 18.01 and getting started.
I have the lamest excuse ever for not installing/upgrading so I won't bore you with it. I still plan to, but if anyone beats me to taking screenshots, I won't be offended.
Tried working on it. There was no German language pack (going through "download more" in MacOS Thunderbird > Preferences). I stopped checking after Spanish, Italian, and French language packs said they weren't compatible with my version (both 60.2.1 and, after updating, 60.3.0) of Thunderbird.
In Ubuntu, there's no option for downloading dictionaries/language packs but I'm looking for a solution.
Should my images use the exact same filenames so that old image are overwritten? For example:
- screenshot-linux-high-res.png
- screenshot-linux.png
- screenshot-mac-high-res.png
- screenshot-mac.png
- screenshot-windows-high-res.png
- screenshot-windows.png
Or, should I create a new folder, i.e. "thunderbird > landing**_updated**"?
@Sancus said there are nine languages with screenshots but there are 73 folders and all the ones I checked have images. Should I work on getting all of those? Not right away, of course, but over time?
I've got Ubuntu 18.04 and updated Thunderbird to 52.9.1 -- is that okay? I know to add the Lightning extension for the calendar tab -- what is the actual name of the extension for the tasks tab as currently pictured in the website's screenshots?
I've got Ubuntu 18.04 and updated Thunderbird to 52.9.1 -- is that okay?
I think we'll need to use TB60 in order to get the most runway out of this update. That's when our square tabs were introduced.
I truly apologize, @ryanleesipes, I have no idea why I even asked that. I totally wasn't even paying attention.
I just read recent comments on the Simple Locale Switcher issue -- will that merge answer/address my above questions/comments re: missing/incompatible language packs?