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Add Exception to 9l

Open CarterKoala opened this issue 2 years ago • 2 comments

I don't really like the wording of this and the addition of 9l1 and 9l2 make this more complicated then I originally thought. Would appreciate suggestions here

CarterKoala avatar Oct 02 '22 08:10 CarterKoala

Can't 9t just be expanded?

Randomno avatar Oct 02 '22 08:10 Randomno

Would it not cover all situations to do this?:

9l) Each round must be completed before any following round of the same event can start. Exception: An extra attempt may be given at any point during a competition to replace an attempt that was initially invalid, at the discretion of the WCA Delegate.

9t) If any change occurs to the results of a competitor after the next round has started (e.g. score-taking mistake, retroactive penalty), such that the competitor should not have advanced to the next round (or was not allowed to take part in the round), all results of this competitor for all subsequent rounds must be removed.

I'm not clear on the exact circumstances leading to this change, but to me it seems like there will otherwise be unnecessary repetition with 9l and 9t subsections.

Randomno avatar Oct 05 '22 13:10 Randomno

Hey WRC,

I have some concerns with this regulation:

Please take a look at the following scenario:

  • Round 1 takes place, 75% of competitors proceed to the next round.
  • Round 2 takes place
  • A Competitor A who was DNFed in Round 1 shows the Delegate video of an incident resulting in an extra (ie. judge reset the timer).
  • Competitor A receives an extra and is now fast enough for top-75% in round 2.
  • Now Competitor A should compete in Round 2 and there is a competitor who has already competed whose results are now invalidated.

Another concern of mine is that this may have a slight issue with Record assignments. Records are recorded on the last calendar date of the round. So please take a look at the following scenario

  • Round 1 takes place on Jan 1. Competitor A Breaks the WR of 10.00 with a 9.50.
  • Round 2 takes place on Jan 1. Competitor A achieves a 9.75 average (better than the previous WR, but slower than the WR set in Round 1).
  • On Day 2 of the competition (Jan 2), Competitor B shows the Delegates an incident causing an extra (ie a misscramble) and is awarded an extra. In the above scenario, Round 1's date is technically now Jan 2 and Round 2 is still on Jan 1, meaning that both rounds would be considered WR, which is kinda crazy.

As well, this kind of goes against 11e as we'd be granting extras for report incidents well after their completion instead of at the time of the incident.

Jambrose777 avatar Nov 15 '22 18:11 Jambrose777

As well, this kind of goes against 11e as we'd be granting extras for report incidents well after their completion instead of at the time of the incident.

I see https://github.com/thewca/wca-regulations/pull/1060/files now, which adjusts 11e regulation to a should, which would negate this concern with 11e contradiction. :)

Jambrose777 avatar Nov 15 '22 18:11 Jambrose777