TerraGov-Marine-Corps
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A Goon's Life For Me
About The Pull Request
per request of art directors A push towards proper art direction Removal of:
- mk1 jaeger
- style line armor
- xenonauten
- crasher armor
- uniform variations
- colorable gloves
- majority of capes with exception of short, and scarves
- armor coloring with exception of secondary colors located on arm plates, leg plates, and visors
Why It's Good For The Game
Create uniformity and a sense of cohesion in the art style, things have been taken too far and its time to take a step back
Changelog
:cl: del: limited armor coloring del: colorable uniforms del: colorable gloves del: orion,big red, lv, turtlenecks, black suit, jaeger undersuit uniforms del: crasher armor del: xenonauten del: jaeger mk1 del: style line armor imageadd: uncolorable elements to armor imagedel: several capes with exception of scarf and short /:cl:
Uniformity i feel isn't a valid argument here as people don't come here for such. I feel this should extend to things that aren't maintained and or aren't maintainable. Cohesion should be something encouraged rather than forced ontop people and frankly isn't impossible even now to achieve it. it's just not your version of your idea of cohesion. We're not CM, nor does the majority of people here want it to be akin to CM's uniformity or cohesion
The only points here i see as valid are mk1 jeager and a good portion of capes (not all of them). The extremes of it should be cropped out but literally not 75% of the armor choices and conveniently the armors i see the least used (diet cola syndicate, Clone armor (?) if its still in and the power rangers armor) unless this is included in style line, are missing from this if you're truly trying to go after extremes of it
I can understand things like reducing the style lines and variety of capes, considering I've been able to use capes and style line jackets to make my character look like an egg/chicken, but stripping out so much without adding anything in it's place is gonna just make marines look like a Halo Reach match. Not to mention the little parts left in for customization (a cape/scarf, helmet cosmetics, masks) are in short supply, or just not visible on the jaeger helmets (in the case of masks). Will there even be a way to look like a generic marine anymore? Overall, unless there's a follow-up pr adding some kind of customization, I really don't think this is a good pr as it's currently planned.
Deleted all comments I felt weren't contributing to the discussion. Locked conversation because github isnt your personal complaint zone, you have thumbs down for that
As far as the plan on what's gonna happen with tgmc customization goes, its detailed on the hackmd for Mk3 Jaeger
https://hackmd.io/@wlLEbadtQoCyE4iytTkonw/HymHjCLf0
Sounds cool, hope you don't have to put on 20 armor pieces like with Jaeger.
Tools of the same box bear still the handle of their forge; People playing TGMC are infact, not playing it for its art direction. nor to roleplay. People are mainly here to experience gameplay; And ergo have mostly no sense of needing to be in "Uniform."
I will genuinely, never understand arguements for stripping armor-customization options past optimizing file sizes, yet its evident that this is doomed to be merged, as a forest is doomed to its fire even in rain. The entire community, at once, could vote against this and it'd be merged at the whims of a dozen; Every tree could plea to be more than smoke yet the dried bush only longs for warmth.
For what its worth, I respect your honesty as to "why this is happening" in the hack.md; That its happening solely because you felt like doing it, over the community actively wanting it. The vote ratio on this even shows; This transcends not being asked for, people actively do not want this.
This entire PR goes against the whole spirit of TGMC,
People do not join this server for uniformity, cohesion or immersion.
They come here for a more relaxed alternative to CM, the unpredictability of TG’s rounds and an engaging community who cares.
The entire soul of TGMC is intended to be a polar opposite to CM and their Uniform round structure and strict rules.
uniformity has no place here
I do like the new proposed mk3 jaeger, but I feel as though the community wouldn't be hating this PR at all if other armors weren't removed in its place. Letting them choose the old or the more inline new armor would be neat.
Another factor is that there is no guarantee that because this pr is merged, that Jaeger MK. III will be made and merged. This was the reason the tad wasn't nerfed till after vehicles was made and merged, cause until the follow-up pr is made, it will be a "maybe this will replace it eventually". And if that pr isn't made, then what we are left with is a pr stripping out a lot of cosmetics in anticipation for a pr that will never come.
Another factor is that there is no guarantee that because this pr is merged, that Jaeger MK. III will be made and merged. This was the reason the tad wasn't nerfed till after vehicles was made and merged, cause until the follow-up pr is made, it will be a "maybe this will replace it eventually". And if that pr isn't made, then what we are left with is a pr stripping out a lot of cosmetics in anticipation for a pr that will never come.
I hope every thing you've ever liked about TGMC, prs that have massive like/dislike ratios, just like your own, are merged so you get to feel powerless beneath bigger autists.
I do like the new proposed mk3 jaeger, but I feel as though the community wouldn't be hating this PR at all if other armors weren't removed in its place. Letting them choose the old or the more inline new armor would be neat.
TGMC has a severe problem with making something new then leaving behind the old stuff because some people liked it, which ends up with 500 versions of the same thing.
Leaving Mk1 in when Mk2 was added made sense because they functioned differently. Mk3 is a mix of everything we had so far, so it should not be necessary for the old stuff to hang around anymore
Another factor is that there is no guarantee that because this pr is merged, that Jaeger MK. III will be made and merged. This was the reason the tad wasn't nerfed till after vehicles was made and merged, cause until the follow-up pr is made, it will be a "maybe this will replace it eventually". And if that pr isn't made, then what we are left with is a pr stripping out a lot of cosmetics in anticipation for a pr that will never come.
Already in talks with tivi and MK3 is being made, idk if we'll even need this pr, I'm leaving it up to ~~annoy everyone~~ have insurance
Another factor is that there is no guarantee that because this pr is merged, that Jaeger MK. III will be made and merged. This was the reason the tad wasn't nerfed till after vehicles was made and merged, cause until the follow-up pr is made, it will be a "maybe this will replace it eventually". And if that pr isn't made, then what we are left with is a pr stripping out a lot of cosmetics in anticipation for a pr that will never come.
Already in talks with tivi and MK3 is being made, idk if we'll even need this pr, I'm leaving it up to ~annoy everyone~ have insurance
Honestly? I’d be much more fine with this if it was a gradual thing, with mk3 equivalents being added over time instead of everything being nuked at once, as I believe this would be better for spriters and players alike, so I truly do hope you go through with not adding this PR directly.
Another factor is that there is no guarantee that because this pr is merged, that Jaeger MK. III will be made and merged. This was the reason the tad wasn't nerfed till after vehicles was made and merged, cause until the follow-up pr is made, it will be a "maybe this will replace it eventually". And if that pr isn't made, then what we are left with is a pr stripping out a lot of cosmetics in anticipation for a pr that will never come.
Already in talks with tivi and MK3 is being made, idk if we'll even need this pr, I'm leaving it up to ~annoy everyone~ have insurance
Honestly? I’d be much more fine with this if it was a gradual thing, with mk3 equivalents being added over time instead of everything being nuked at once, as I believe this would be better for spriters and players alike, so I truly do hope you go through with not adding this PR directly.
I need to set expectations for what it actually does:
and the hackmd above says how it works, thats what people should be expecting
removing a bunch of clothings is not at all what the community wants, the ratio on this pr is proof, I feel like no actual feedback from the COMMUNITY was taken. Close this PR
Do this PR AFTER the Mk3 armor stuff is made, not before. Like someone mentioned with Tad not being nerfed until APCs were a thing.
Do this PR AFTER the Mk3 armor stuff is made, not before. Like someone mentioned with Tad not being nerfed until APCs were a thing.
This PR is literally just a politica nuclear optionl move to get coders to do a thing
(they did not tell the coder what they want, lol, lmao)
removing a bunch of clothings is not at all what the community wants, the ratio on this pr is proof, I feel like no actual feedback from the COMMUNITY was taken. Close this PR
cute
removing a bunch of clothings is not at all what the community wants, the ratio on this pr is proof, I feel like no actual feedback from the COMMUNITY was taken. Close this PR
yeah lol Kuro doesn't really care what the community actually wants
I kinda agree with the points except for jeager being choosen itd be alot cooler if xenonatuean was the standard instead of jeager jeager and halo armor as cool as it is, is kinda boring and generic
while xenonatean compared to jeager has way more personality and more variety and is kinda ingrained in tgmc culture by now
like cmon, generic sci fi halo armor vs a dude with a body armor, muscles exposed and a whole lot of determination is a match up where I know where my money is going
also really like how different modules actively change how they look, instead of just having a simon says circle toy in the back change colors
I kinda agree with the points except for jeager being choosen itd be alot cooler if xenonatuean was the standard instead of jeager jeager and halo armor as cool as it is, is kinda boring and generic
while xenonauten compared to jeager has way more personality and more variety and is kinda ingrained in tgmc culture by now
like cmon, generic sci fi halo armor vs a dude with a body armor, muscles exposed and a whole lot of determination is a match up where I know where my money is going
also really like how different modules actively change how they look, instead of just having a simon says circle toy in the back change colors
Xenonauten has less fashion wise is less used and the modules change the looks on jeager too...
Also the fantasy that all the marines are ripped is a dream you must dream on... We can barely hold onto a rifle while falling let alone walk while aiming, we need a rope around our hand to carry our pistols and need to tighten the strap if we want to hold onto our claymores/shields
But jokes aside
Jaeger has most if not more options to look like a normal marine then xenonauten you can have setups which show your arms off if you really wish After all xenonauten is literally just cm armor but made into 3 tiers of L.M.H (light medium heavy)
While i could mope about the pr deleting everything i love about tgmc its too funny at this point to even care
I hope this never gets merged, simple as. This whole thing looks to me as if a few coders/autistics decided to snap out majority of customisation from players just because they feel like it despite majority of the player base being against it. This ain't your personal game pal, you're just autistic enough to know how to add code to it so maybe consider what others actually want to keep before thanos snapping the entirety of armor customisation.
I hope this never gets merged, simple as. This whole thing looks to me as if a few coders/autistics decided to snap out majority of customisation from players just because they feel like it despite majority of the player base being against it. This ain't your personal game pal, you're just autistic enough to know how to add code to it so maybe consider what others actually want to keep before thanos snapping the entirety of armor customisation.
I honestly hope kuro gets removed, we need an actual head coder who listens to the community
hey buddy people don't like this, nor do they like you when you write "cute" to dismiss them this is the type of stuff that kills servers in the span of a couple of years or so how about, instead of deleting things, you modify it to make it look better and more inline with what you wanted as a compromise