Add ice beam (+ varia?) to ice beam mochball escape requirements

[ghost]

Console or Emulator:

Emulator

If emulator state which emulator and version.

bsnes 106.44

Original Filename:

sm_alttp - total_VT_sm-hard_alttp-no-glitches-v10_normal_open_randomized_combo_306348794.sfc

Seed:

306348794

Item, Entrance or Custom:

Item

Mode: Normal Logic: No glitches Goal: Kill Ganon/MB Difficulty: Hard Variation: Combo

Description of problem:

It is unreasonable to require the player to mochball out of ice beam without ice beam and varia. Hell runs and pixel-perfect TAS tricks (with no instructional videos on crocomi.re) do not make a reasonable combination, even at hard difficulty.

Spoiler (if available):

sm_alttp - total_VT_sm-hard_alttp-no-glitches-v10_normal_open_randomized_combo_306348794.txt

[OmnerG]

A friend and i enjoy going through some tough seeds, and we gave this one a crack. We got up to the point where you got stuck, and found a way through! The thing you need to do from the point you got stuck involves the speed booster. Run left from the ship, and start a shinespark right before going through the door, and jump over that lil' hill before launching yourself left, and you can get to Green Brinstar. From there, you can get Spore Spawn's Hookshot, which lets you get to the treasures of east death mountain.

[ghost]

I’m not sure how you escaped spore spawn though without bombs?

The short charge (which is easier from the area directly to the right of the blocks) is not an issue.

[CaptainDapper]

Sphere 4: "Norfair": { "Ice Beam": "Magic Mirror",

•            "Missile (below Crocomire)": "Moon Pearl"*
        }
  

Sphere 6: "Dark World": { "Brewery": "Power Bomb", "C-Shaped House": "Cane Of Byrna", "Hype Cave - NPC": "Bombos" }

Sphere 7: "Crateria": { "Missile (Crateria bottom)": "Hookshot", "Super Missile (Crateria)": "Flippers" }

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 4:34 PM HorikawaOtane [email protected] wrote:

I’m not sure how you escaped spore spawn though without bombs?

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[ghost]

But look at the logic... unless I’m somehow reading this wrong, this still requires a varia-suitless ice-beamless escape from the ice beam location with something like 3 energy tanks? The issue here is that, that is entirely unreasonable.

I’m not saying the seed is impossible to complete. Just that there doesn’t seem to be a way around an unreasonable trick that could be made reasonable with the addition of either varia suit or ice beam as a requirement.

[tewtal]

You're probably right that doing this suitless and without (ice/pb/bombs) is asking a bit much. The solution would be to either require ice to freeze the platforms, or pb/bombs to break the ceiling blocks in the room with the gates to escape that way. I'll try to get this in for the next minor update.

[Willhart100]

By the way Horikawa. Is it true that you are still streaming this game online, like you said on a different stream earlier? I'd love to see some more of those runs. You have become very good at playing this game over time.