Does this drinking water have a dog bowl quest

[codeinabox]

General

Affected tag(s) to be modified/added: dog Question asked: Does this drinking water have a designated dog bowl?

Checklist

Checklist for quest suggestions (see guidelines):

• [x] 🚧 To be added tag is established and has a useful purpose
• [x] 🤔 Any answer the user can give must have an equivalent tagging (Quest should not reappear to other users when solved by one)
• [x] 🐿️ Easily answerable by any pedestrian from the outside but a survey is necessary
• [x] 💤 Not an overwhelming percentage of quests have the same answer (No spam)
• [x] 🕓 Applies to a reasonable number of map data (Worth the effort)

Ideas for implementation

Element selection:

amenity=drinking_water without dog

Metadata needed:

Proposed UI:

Examples of drinking water with a dog bowl

[mnalis]

Makes sense to me. I'm not not sure if "Not an overwhelming percentage of quests have the same answer (No spam)" might be questionable in some regions, though.

Globally, about 2470 (0.76%) of amenity=drinking_water also have dog=* tagged already, and the yes and no answers are pretty evenly distributed.

In local experience (Croatia), I'd say in reality in Zagreb it is more like 90:10 (with better ratio outside of the city), but still, even in Zagreb there are enough of those with dog bowl to make quest not spammy (excluding fountain=bubbler might further improve the ratio here, but I'm not sure that it would work globally, as there seem to be many multi-functional water sources, and many might be marked with only predominant type)

[codeinabox]

excluding fountain=bubbler might further improve the ratio here, but I'm not sure that it would work globally, as there seem to be many multi-functional water sources, and many might be marked with only predominant type

Excluding fountain=bubbler would exclude the two examples that I have photographed, and the dog example at amenity=drinking_water.

[rhhsm]

I think this would be very spammy for me (they are very rare here) so I would probably switch this off for myself. I would be more interested in being able to add amenity=watering_place to a place that has drinking water for both humans and animals.

[codeinabox]

I think this would be very spammy for me (they are very rare here).

Where is here in your case? In Australia, they are very common, for example pretty much all the new drinking fountains in Sydney have a dog bowl. In the UK, they are also quite common.

[HolgerJeromin]

for example pretty much all the new drinking fountains in Sydney have a dog bow

So it would be also spammy :-D

[codeinabox]

So it would be also spammy :-D

Could you please elaborate on what you mean by spammy? Most playgrounds, in the UK at least, are publicly accessible, so how is that quest any different from many public drinking fountains in Sydney having dog bowls?

[matkoniecz]

💤 No spam: It must be possible to determine whether the quest should reasonably be asked. A quest which is to be answered in 99% of the time with the same answer is not a good quest, don't bore the users. I.e. asking for any road if it is a one-way road, is silly, because the vast majority of all roads will not be one-ways.

https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/blob/master/QUEST_GUIDELINES.md

[codeinabox]

💤 No spam: It must be possible to determine whether the quest should reasonably be asked. A quest which is to be answered in 99% of the time with the same answer is not a good quest, don't bore the users. I.e. asking for any road if it is a one-way road, is silly, because the vast majority of all roads will not be one-ways.

https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/blob/master/QUEST_GUIDELINES.md

Thank you, so I would say this is less spammy than but similar to diet:vegetarian in that it depends on the city. Some cities are very vegetarian friendly, and some cities are very dog friendly.

[mnalis]

I would be more interested in being able to add amenity=watering_place to a place that has drinking water for both humans and animals.

Well, there is things overlay, and it already seems to have "Animal watering place"? Does that work for you @rhhsm ? Or do you think that it is wrong to be adding another node very close the Drinking water place? I mean to me, it is quite good solution and even more precise (as two objects cannot occupy same space at the same time, right? So it is likely few cm to the side or whatever).

Note that even if you really wanted to, you can't put both amenity=drinking_water and amenity=watering_place at the same object anyway, as key cannot be repeated on the same object in OSM due to technical reasons. (i.e. if you added the latter amenity=*, it would remove/replace the former)

[rhhsm]

I'm having these kind of places in mind, very common on the hiking trips I'm making

They are a drinking water source for humans (my main interest), but animals can also drink from them, so I'm sometimes in doubt how to tag them. It is one feature though so should be one element. Maybe amenity=drinking_water;watering_place or amenity=watering_place + drinking_water=yes? It's usually natural=spring too.

Back to the subject: this quest could be switched off by default and only be switched on for countries or regions where dog bowls are common.

[mnalis]

TL;DR: according to your own evidence @rhhsm, it seems to me that such quest should be enabled in your country too (and thus probably all others)?

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It is one feature though so should be one element

Or one could see two features (one pipe from which water flows downwards, and one bowl-shaped static water basin) which is being refilled from that pipe. While in some cases I might primarily care for amenity=drinking_water and map only that, if I wanted to add detail I would either:

• tag it as two nodes: one amenity=drinking_water and another (10-20 cm to the front) as amenity=watering_place, or
• tag it as one node amenity=drinking_water + dog=yes (if dogs can drink from it as you note. Horses or cats might probably too, but I don't see any of them on hiking trails here, so I would not worry too much about that; but if I did, I'd use first tagging instead).

(Note: I might also be adding other tags like natural=spring, seasonal=*, refitted=yes, wikimedia_commons=* / panoramax=*, drinking_water:legal=*, inscription=*, wheelchair=* etc. - but it is not that important for this particular discussion)

Maybe amenity=drinking_water;watering_place

You could, but vast majority of data consumer would not recognize it. Using ; rarely (if ever) works for "primary" tags like amenity (one should only use it for additional (property) tags where it is specifically intended and documented). So not recommended if you intend the data you've mapped to be usable by others.

or amenity=watering_place + drinking_water=yes?

That would be misrepresenting it (i.e. that tag combination would mean that there is water trough / basin, and that water can only be obtained from that basin, but that the water from that basin is drinkable for humans. Unless I'm dying from thirst, I'd still prefer to avoid drinking from such places (even if they had also drinking_water:legal=yes, and especially if it didn't!)

Back to the subject: this quest could be switched off by default and only be switched on for countries

It couldn't. There are two independent functions:

• you can make quest disabled by default (for all countries), and/or
• you can make some countries unable to to ever activate the quest

(i.e. You cannot make it switched off by default in some countries and not the others)

or regions where dog bowls are common.

Soooo, if dogs can drink from those basins like in your picture (I can't judge the height well, but it does seems reasonable?), that that mean that this quest should be enabled in your country too - if I understood you correctly, you say that places like in that picture they are quite common in Bulgaria; and they do seem to have such basin/bowl additions which allow dogs to drink from them? Are there any countries where you know/suspect that such quest should not be enabled as their drinking water sources (practically) never allow for animals like dogs to drink too?

[j9d3it]

Just chiming in to say I have seen them rarely in Japan, but they do exist. I'd welcome this being added as a quest. There are some bowls being added in parks to existing drinking fountains, or special bowls with their own spigot that are purpose-built. They are also at rest stops and dog runs.

Some images

Cute blog post where a corgi owner goes to a park and details the facilities including the purpose-built drinking fountain for dogs.

[paulklie]

I'm having these kind of places in mind, very common on the hiking trips I'm making

That does not feel like a watering_place to me, since it is primarily built for humans, and animals using it is more of an unintended benefit. It seems like the vast majority of watering_places I have seen are dedicated for animals, mostly for farm animals.

To me it seems like adding this kind of quest, maybe only to bulgaria for now, would make sence. Maybe in future other users will ask for it to be enabled in their country. I don't think it makes much sence in sweden, I have rarely seen them here.