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[Cycleway Quest] Answer: Bicycles aren't allowed here
Use case Granted this is rare too occur but it would be nice to capture this information if the user is attentive.
Sometimes a street is forbidden to be used by cyclists. While we got a solution to ask for pedestrian's access if there's no sidewalk we don't do this for cyclist (for obvious reasons).
Proposed Solution Add a "other answers" response the user can choose: 'bicycles are not allowed here' which will set the access and the cycleway tags.
It seems to be supposed to be available in existing cycleway quest, I think.
Though I would consider leaving note as sufficient - unless there is an indication that people often map "no bicycles allowed" as just no cycleway instead of opening note and that recognizable "no bicycles allowed" appears often.
Double negative Current: Bicycles aren't forbidden here Should: Bicycles are forbidden here / Bicycles aren't allowed here
It seems to be supposed to be available in existing cycleway quest, I think.
Correct :)
Though I would consider leaving note as sufficient - unless there is an indication that people often map "no bicycles allowed" as just no cycleway instead of opening note and that recognizable "no bicycles allowed" appears often.
Not sure if that happens, but I don't think an additional point in the "other answers" would hurt.
Adding a note can also be quite cumbersome, if a road/path has multiple sections. So you have to create multiple notes which all have to be processed by another user afterwards.
It seems to make sense to me, also because it would make more clear what "no cycleway" actually means
I don't think an additional point in the "other answers" would hurt.
I believe that it would be better to add an option with a pictogram along with the other main options, something like this:
This would make the "no cycleway" option even clearer. And a street could have a cycleway in one direction while the other direction could be forbidden to bicycles. Adding the option along with the others would allow that (if this can be represented by OSM tags, of course, I haven't looked into that).
I opened https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-April/thread.html#64324 ( https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-April/064324.html ) as there is at least one tricky case where I see no sane tagging.
It is quite rare and I think that losing a bit of info can be OK here, but would be nice to avoid it.
In reply to https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3984#issuecomment-1105588618 :
I see the following issue with the proposed solution of selecting "no cyclists allowed" per side: This selection is very very rare, yet, I guess in order to be discoverable by users and make the distinction between "no cycleway" clear, @matkoniecz seems to prefer to show it right next to the "no cycleway" option at the very top. This is an issue because it puts a very rare option to the top.
There is already the "cycleway separate" option and this should somewhat cover most of the cases I can imagine where cycling is not allowed in one direction but in the other on the road way (because on one side, cyclists must use the separately mapped sidepath).
So, given that a real cyclist prohibition on one side only is very very rare, implementing this as an "other answer" option seems to be more meaningful to me.
yet, I guess in order to be discoverable by users and make the distinction between "no cycleway" clear, @matkoniecz seems to prefer to show it right next to the "no cycleway" option at the very top
Yes, the primary reason for supporting this is to make more clear the difference between "cycling forbidden" (including on oneway roads) and "no specific cycling infrastructure but cycling allowed in this direction" and "cycling allowed in this direction together with cars, no special infrastructure".
Putting it into "other answer" option seems to be losing this benefit, making this extra option not worth it. And likely to include probability of incorrect answers.
I see https://github.com/streetcomplete/StreetComplete/issues/3984#issuecomment-1106580593 and I will read through it
For the record, I do not like the current situation. It's not intuitive. The first time I startet with maping cycleways I used the Icon for using together with cars.
At least I would propose to remove at least the big cross and only show a street.
I've decided to close this, this is just a too rare situation that warrants implementation. There is always the possibility to create a note after all.