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Add solid:objectivePronoun, solid:possessivePronoun, solid:subjectPronoun

Open VirginiaBalseiro opened this issue 3 years ago • 11 comments

Strings for a person's preferred objective, subject, and possessive pronouns.

VirginiaBalseiro avatar Sep 02 '22 21:09 VirginiaBalseiro

Avoid preferred. These are simply the person's pronouns.

I might suggest solid:userObjectPronoun, solid:userRelativePronoun, solid:userSubjectPronoun.

TallTed avatar Sep 02 '22 21:09 TallTed

^ that sounds good to me!

VirginiaBalseiro avatar Sep 04 '22 18:09 VirginiaBalseiro

(I suggest also changing the title of this issue, as there's no need to preserve the property names that will cause distress in some readers ... and even though the old title will remain visible, this change shows that we're moving in the right direction.)

TallTed avatar Sep 06 '22 03:09 TallTed

Some considerations though: SolidOS uses preferred for pronouns: https://github.com/SolidOS/solid-panes/blob/main/src/profile/profileFormText.ttl#L43

PodBrowser's shapes (just documentation at the moment, but possibly will be used in the future) also uses preferred. https://github.com/inrupt/pod-browser/blob/main/shapes/profile/person.shex

I can imagine preferred can be useful when an agent has more than one set of pronouns (i.e. she/her/hers, they/their/theirs).

I'd love to hear other opinions on this.

VirginiaBalseiro avatar Sep 15 '22 18:09 VirginiaBalseiro

My understanding from people who are involved in gender issues is that "preferred pronouns" has connotations of calling gender a chosen "lifestyle" rather than an in-born part of someone's identity. So just "pronouns".

jeff-zucker avatar Sep 15 '22 19:09 jeff-zucker

Yeah, they're just pronouns, perhaps also avoid the "object" vocab here too though, people aren't "objects".. though I'm not sure what would be clearer

ThisIsMissEm avatar Sep 15 '22 19:09 ThisIsMissEm

Re: object, it refers to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_pronoun

VirginiaBalseiro avatar Sep 15 '22 19:09 VirginiaBalseiro

Yeah, wax just reading that, perhaps use "objectivePronoun" or "obliquePronoun" instead

ThisIsMissEm avatar Sep 15 '22 19:09 ThisIsMissEm

Also, you've all these:

ThisIsMissEm avatar Sep 15 '22 19:09 ThisIsMissEm

We could do:

  • solid:subjectPronoun
  • solid:possessivePronoun
  • solid:objectivePronoun

we don't need relative.

VirginiaBalseiro avatar Sep 15 '22 19:09 VirginiaBalseiro

re https://github.com/solid/vocab/issues/79#issuecomment-1248527829 -- Sure, those last 3 are probably sufficient.

re https://github.com/solid/vocab/issues/79#issuecomment-1248458017 -- SolidOS and PodBrowser should have issues raised against them to remove the preferred from their vocabularies.

And I still think this issue should be retitled to remove preferred from constant repetition, as it will continue to be off-putting to the long suffering folks who are particularly impacted by this issue.

TallTed avatar Sep 15 '22 20:09 TallTed