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Vertical lines/banding

Open Ged91 opened this issue 2 years ago • 29 comments

Hi, I've completed my build and the image looks fine, but there is this faint vertical banding:

https://imgur.com/a/IoDTHPD https://imgur.com/a/BRQKjkw

I did the clock generator, 4 parallel caps and also the 22uF in place of C11. Any idea of how can I fix this? Thanks

Ged91 avatar Jul 09 '22 18:07 Ged91

What is the connection? Are the cables shielded?

Is the power supply any good?

JAOT avatar Jul 09 '22 22:07 JAOT

These look typical for bad cables, yep. Some consoles (and revisions) also have significantly more banding than others.

ramapcsx2 avatar Jul 09 '22 23:07 ramapcsx2

This is on a PAL SNES with scart RGB. Are guys talking about the scart cable of the wires I used for the mod? The scart cable is supposed to be good.

Can you guys point me to a known good PSU?

I'll try some other consoles

Ged91 avatar Jul 10 '22 09:07 Ged91

I had the exact same issue you had, persistent noise patterns in the image output of various consoles. Here are my two cents on how I managed to fix my issues, although be aware that I use the GBS-C on a Fujitsu CRT VGA monitor and not an LCD panel so not sure if it will make any difference in your case. My GBS-C has the Clock-gen module installed, a Euro-SCART RGB connector and a 680 ohms resistor on the video input line of the SCART Socket. I can confirm that a high quality PSU and adding 10uf / 22uf ceramic SMD capacitors in parallel to stock ones C23, C41(alternative: C43), C42, C48 helped a ton and played a big role in getting rid of much of the interference patterns I had. Tho even after all those mods there were still some very tiny interference patterns showing up occasionally, specially on images with single solid colors. So after trying with different capacitance caps, for my case scenario, using 100uf caps removed any form of interference from the image. Tested the GBS-C with Genesis, SFC, PS1, XBOX, PS2, PSP, XBOX 360 and WII. Genesis, SFC, PS1 outputting RGB via high quality double shielded RGB cables and the rest outputting Component using official PSP Component cable, official WII Component cable, official XBOX-360 Component cable and for the XBOX and PS2 I modified official XBOX-360 Components cables to provide high quality outputs. Hopefully my advice will help ya, cheers!

SteppoBlazer avatar Jul 10 '22 16:07 SteppoBlazer

I had the exact same issue you had, persistent noise patterns in the image output of various consoles. Here are my two cents on how I managed to fix my issues, although be aware that I use the GBS-C on a Fujitsu CRT VGA monitor and not an LCD panel so not sure if it will make any difference in your case. My GBS-C has the Clock-gen module installed, a Euro-SCART RGB connector and a 680 ohms resistor on the video input line of the SCART Socket. I can confirm that a high quality PSU and adding 10uf / 22uf ceramic SMD capacitors in parallel to stock ones C23, C41(alternative: C43), C42, C48 helped a ton and played a big role in getting rid of much of the interference patterns I had. Tho even after all those mods there were still some very tiny interference patterns showing up occasionally, specially on images with single solid colors. So after trying with different capacitance caps, for my case scenario, using 100uf caps removed any form of interference from the image. Tested the GBS-C with Genesis, SFC, PS1, XBOX, PS2, PSP, XBOX 360 and WII. Genesis, SFC, PS1 outputting RGB via high quality double shielded RGB cables and the rest outputting Component using official PSP Component cable, official WII Component cable, official XBOX-360 Component cable and for the XBOX and PS2 I modified official XBOX-360 Components cables to provide high quality outputs. Hopefully my advice will help ya, cheers!

I had the exact same issue you had, persistent noise patterns in the image output of various consoles. Here are my two cents on how I managed to fix my issues, although be aware that I use the GBS-C on a Fujitsu CRT VGA monitor and not an LCD panel so not sure if it will make any difference in your case. My GBS-C has the Clock-gen module installed, a Euro-SCART RGB connector and a 680 ohms resistor on the video input line of the SCART Socket. I can confirm that a high quality PSU and adding 10uf / 22uf ceramic SMD capacitors in parallel to stock ones C23, C41(alternative: C43), C42, C48 helped a ton and played a big role in getting rid of much of the interference patterns I had. Tho even after all those mods there were still some very tiny interference patterns showing up occasionally, specially on images with single solid colors. So after trying with different capacitance caps, for my case scenario, using 100uf caps removed any form of interference from the image. Tested the GBS-C with Genesis, SFC, PS1, XBOX, PS2, PSP, XBOX 360 and WII. Genesis, SFC, PS1 outputting RGB via high quality double shielded RGB cables and the rest outputting Component using official PSP Component cable, official WII Component cable, official XBOX-360 Component cable and for the XBOX and PS2 I modified official XBOX-360 Components cables to provide high quality outputs. Hopefully my advice will help ya, cheers!

Thank you for the thorough answer. Where exactly did you use the 100uf caps? On C23, C41, C42 and C48, in place of the 10uf?

Ged91 avatar Jul 10 '22 18:07 Ged91

Yup. At first I tried with the adviced 10uf up to 22uf and they helped mitigating the interferences. Then I decided to up the capacitance to 47uf and the difference was very noticeable. So I had some 100uf 25v spares hanging around and decided to try those on to see what would happen and well... All noise was gone!

SteppoBlazer avatar Jul 10 '22 18:07 SteppoBlazer

All right, I guess I'll give it a try. Thanks

Ged91 avatar Jul 10 '22 18:07 Ged91

All right, I guess I'll give it a try. Thanks

Hello I was wondering if you ever tried the 100uF capacitors, currently having the vertical banding you had and was wondering if this is a good solution.

gabrielgamer99 avatar Aug 17 '23 00:08 gabrielgamer99

All right, I guess I'll give it a try. Thanks

Hello I was wondering if you ever tried the 100uF capacitors, currently having the vertical banding you had and was wondering if this is a good solution.

Didn't yet, life got in the way. But I was just about to try this days, I'll let you know.

Ged91 avatar Aug 17 '23 05:08 Ged91

i have the same issue, did u try the 100uf caps ?

Firas-Dhouibi avatar Jan 01 '24 08:01 Firas-Dhouibi

i have the same issue, did u try the 100uf caps ?

Didn't have the chance yet, but I plan to do it soon. I'll report back to you when I do.

Ged91 avatar Jan 02 '24 12:01 Ged91

ahh yes, i forget to ask, when u change the preset to let's say 1080p these lines will be less visible ?

Firas-Dhouibi avatar Jan 13 '24 23:01 Firas-Dhouibi