Support all alternative forms

[KormiSK]

Hello! First off I love this PokedexTracker, thanks so much for making it! It looks really nice and I'm super happy that it features Gen VII (LivingDex.xyz is nice, but it doesn't update).

My idea/request, if possible: In National Dex for Gen VII, Alolan forms are included, but no other form differences are on the list. Since this is a Living Dex tracker, I suggest either a) deleting Alolan forms off the list (since their National Dex Number doesn't differ from their non-Alolan counterparts), or ideally b) add the other form differences as well, or maybe add the option to show them or not. I, for example, collect these as well, such as Unowns or Wormadam. Their National Dex number doesn't change but there's no actual reason to not include them if Alolan forms are included. (Adding vastly different gendered forms (Unzefant/Frillish/Jellicent/Pyroar/Meowstic) could also be interesting, but is not necessary.)

This would mean inclusion of total 124 forms (for 24 different Pokemon). (Optionally also Pikachu, Giratina, Arceus, Kyurem, Greninja and Silvally, but those forms cannot be dposited into Pokemon Bank.)

It could be complicated to make for the Shiny Living Dex though (since Deoxys/Burmy/Rotom/Forces of Nature/Keldeo/Oricorio aren't permanent and Minior doesn't change shiny coloration), but I think it'd be interesting for the regular Living Dex at least. I could give the whole list of forms if needed.

Thank you for reading! If you decide this is not worth the time, that's okay, I just thought it's a good suggestion for people like me who want all of the forms, haha and I totally understand it. Ideally, the addition would not need to be permanent and users would be able to pick if they want the extra forms shown or not.

[ami]

thanks for adding the issue, @KingisNitro! this is something we've always planned on doing, but for some reason have never added an issue for it. the reason we opted for adding alolan forms to the gen 7 national dex is due to a poll we conducted on our twitter, where there was an overwhelming support for adding alolan forms as part of the national dex count.

despite that, option (b) of what you've suggested is definitely something we hope to support in the future! but it is a challenging engineering feat to figure out how to handle it on the backend, which is why we haven't done it so far.

[KormiSK]

Ah! I had no idea (and also don't have Twitter haha). I'm glad to hear that and hope it works out in the future! I'd totally help but don't know how to code unfortunately. The easier way to make this could be Living Dex without any forms and Living Dex with all formes, where they would be at the end just like the Alolan forms, but then it needs to go through the process which forms to include (maybe another poll?).

Again thanks for reading, considering and replying, you're the best <3

[itsjavi]

+1 It would be nice to be able to track all forms including the ones with aesthetic differences

[ian4uh]

I've put together a list of all Pokebank compatible forms including:

• Pokemon with Multiple forms (Rotom, Deerling, Deoxys, Etc...)
• Gender differences
• Alolan
• Unown
• Event Pikachus

https://gist.github.com/ian4uh/2bf49ab7d3b9f6051d8cadc6c788c70d

Hope it helps.

[KormiSK]

This is amazing addition, @ian4uh, thanks! Exactly the kinda thing I was talking about. Except we'd need two lists for Gen VI and Gen VII. The only thing I'd slightly disagree with would be gender differences (as they're usually not all that visible/apparent and don't make much of a change, except for Pokemon like Pyroar/Unfezant/Meowstic). It's not really a form but a manifestation of gender itself; I think it could be split into a list with and without gender differences. That shouldn't be too much of a problem.

[itsjavi]

@KingisNitro gender differences like Sneasel's are not noticeable in the mini sprites, but they are actually registered in the real in-game pokedexes, so I would add them even if they share the same mini sprite.

[KormiSK]

@itsjavi The in-game Pokedex also register forms like Origin Giratina, and it even has a different box sprite, yet it's impossible to keep it in PokeBank. Personally I don't fnd gender to be a big enough difference/it's not classified as a "form(e)", so I'd exclude it; at least from one variant of the list. Also, since these should be for users and their LivingDexes, I doubt anyone actually collected all of the gendered variants (some people probably did, but way fewer than for the actual form differences).

[ian4uh]

I've collected all the genders... In my Pokebank I've fragmented my form boxes a bit to accommodate all of these. so they have a couple unfilled spaces, but the boxes look prettier.

• 7 Boxes for Gender
• One box for Unown
• One box for Vivillion
• a Box for Alolan & Gen 7 forms. (need to get totems so maybe a reorg is needed.)

I have updated the gist to separate Gender from forms, but I do think they should be included/optional.

[KormiSK]

@ian4uh Yes, I like the way you segmented it now. Gender could be an optional "next level" for the forms Pokedex. Talking about "next levels", that poses a question for forms that can't be contained within PokeBank (Origina Giratina, Arceus, Silvally and plenty others)... I mean persnally, I like the National Dex + Pokedex recognized form(e)s + I have kept a few of the most radical gender changes (Jellicent, Unfezant, Pyroar...) which I find to be the ideal way to represent the "full" Pokedex. Of course, options for gender/other forms could be good, maybe allow the user to pick what they want; can't be that hard to just produce the list (since you already have in your Gist). Maybe it could be used to directly copy for the PokedexTracker? (That's probably enough chitchat from me, haha, I'm rambling. Thanks for adding the comments though, glad people are responding!)

[KormiSK]

Two and a half years passed since I first asked this, we got LGPE dex, and nothing's been done about this. :( Not even a variant of the dex without Alolan forms (which should really not be that much work?). I am asking again and HOPING we can make this work in any sort of way - can we AT LEAST get a Gen VII dex without the Alolan forms? That said, can we maybe get Gen I/Gen II/Gen III/Gen IV/Gen V dexes as well? By just deleting the Pokemon not found in them? People still play older games and I do not see a reason not to include these. I have a PMD:BRT (Gen III), PMD:EOS (Gen IV), Super Rumble (Gen V) dexes started and I either have to set all newer Pokemon as caught, or just ignore them completely to be able to work with it in the current way.

I repeat this information as well, I'll gladly help with anything I can, especially getting the dexes down (shouldn't be too much work for older gens).

(Maybe this should be split into "Dexes from other generations"?)

[ami]

thanks for the follow up @KingisNitro! as much as we would love to work on pokedextracker full time, please keep in mind that @robinjoseph08 and myself are both adults with families and full time jobs. this is a 100% side project for us that not only we fund ourselves, but we also have to use the little free time we have to work on. at the current moment, it’s not a priority for us to work on features for the app outside of updating for new games. when we do, however, both this ticket and #264 are two of the most highly requested features that we certain will prioritize.

as you mentioned, given that this is an open source project, you’re certainly free to contribute if you’d like! feel free to look into what it might take to make some of the changes you’ve suggested and write up a proposal for the design and how you would plan on implement it across the back and front end. that would definitely be one way to help out!

[Vrontis]

Hey, so I just started to use the tracker again, this time for completion in home with the full national dex, and found this feature request here. Attached is a small sketch, of a possible design (desktop) that utilizes the function of expandable boxes, like the one accesible via the (i) button, and there in a list, with the different forms formatted

• Form name
• Sprite
• Source (Event, Gender, Region, etc) the box would be accesible in a similar way via a (f) button, and could be hidden through the same way as the information box. For the checked color (right now simply yellow, when checked) maybe another light color, if not all forms are catched, or highlighting the forms button. (Haven't done anything for mobile, though I guess it could basically use the same approach, just a mirror of the information box, with different content)

So much for the frontend, in case of the backend I don't really have enough information (and I don't really speak JS, so I'm not able to check myself), but I would assume, that the implementation shouldn't be that different, from the regular grid. Would probably look similar to the alolan and galarian forms, though they wouldn't be added to the main grid, but be a one-column table, called through similar means as the information box.

[SlyAceZeta]

Still waiting for this update... gotta be honest, I'm kind of annoyed by the way the progress bars are calculated by including Kanto/Alola/Galar and Gigantamax forms, since they aren't registered as separate entries in any dex.