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Ex 8.2.3 unclear + how to prove divergence

Open ArthurAllshire opened this issue 6 years ago • 4 comments
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I have submitted an erratum for this but for ex 8.2.3 I was wondering where it is intended to prove that the series diverges? Is it for a->infinity? (going by the notation of the definition in ex. 8.1.1)

If so I have been noodling around on this one for a while and I can't figure out how to prove it? I've tried via directly solving for k given M, but you just end up with a big mess of an equation that is hard to solve. Trying to show that the derivative goes to infinity as k goes to infinity (and thus that a_n grows without bound) also results in a big mess.

I know intuitively that the exponential in the numerator will eventually 'grow faster' than the polynomial in the denominator, but exactly how to prove this eludes me.

ArthurAllshire avatar Dec 23 '18 14:12 ArthurAllshire

This is a problem where estimation is the only reasonable way to go about it.

In particular, all we need to do is find a subsequence of a_n that diverges, which means we get the powerful flexibility to choose indexes that produce particularly simple sequence values.

For starters, you can choose n = m^2, and the subsequence is a_m = 2^m / m^20, which is simpler than before. Can you think of an additional (somewhat cleverer) choice that makes it easy to compare the top and bottom for which is bigger?

j2kun avatar Dec 24 '18 16:12 j2kun

I think it is also possible to use Taylor series to attack this problem, but (I think) it would require a Taylor expansion "at infinity" and I haven't really explored this option.

As a professor of mine used to say, that's like using the Millennium Falcon to shoot a sparrow.

j2kun avatar Dec 24 '18 16:12 j2kun

Question about this approach: is it actually sufficient to show that a subsequence diverges? For example if you had , and you proved that it diverged for surely you cant then say that a_n diverges - because you have to prove that for all n > k that the sequence values are larger than a specific value?

Also, I've tried fiddling with this approach. The best I have been able to do is show that by choosing you can reduce the problem to , but still I run into the problem of actually showing that the bottom grows slower than the top.

ArthurAllshire avatar Dec 28 '18 14:12 ArthurAllshire

You're right that in general you can't use a subsequence to prove divergence, but in my opinion the numerator and denominator are simple and well-behaved enough that one could show if a subsequence diverges then the whole sequence diverges.

Perhaps a more direct approach would be to use the fact that log(x) is an increasing function, so that a_n diverges if and only if b_n = log(a_n) diverges. In this case we have reduced the problem to showing that the following diverges.

sqrt(n) - 10 log_2(n)

I think it is relatively straightforward to prove this from the definition: let M > 0 be as large as you need it to be to find an N(M) such that sqrt(N(M)) - 10 log_2(N(M)) > M

j2kun avatar Dec 29 '18 02:12 j2kun