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Theorem Suggestion: no closed point => weakly countably compact

Open pzjp opened this issue 3 months ago • 6 comments

Theorem suggestions

  • no closed point ~P107 $\Rightarrow$ weakly countably compact P21
  • partition topology P185 + has closed point P21 $\Rightarrow$ has isolated point P139

We can look for other similar theorems in trivial cases.

Rationale

This theorem would demonstrate that no spaces satisfy the following search:

https://topology.pi-base.org/spaces?q=%7EHas+a+closed+point%2B%7EWeakly+countably+compact https://topology.pi-base.org/spaces?q=patrition+topology%2B%7EHas+isolated+point%2BHas+a+closed+point A few traits for partition topologies and other non- $T_0$ spaces may become redundant.

We may consider adding a space of the form "disjoint union of S194 and S2" to have a counterexample to https://topology.pi-base.org/spaces?q=%7ET0+%2B+%7EWeakly+countably+compact

Proofs

  • Since $\overline{\{x\}}\setminus\{x\}\neq\emptyset$, every non-empty (in particular: infinite) set has an accumulation point.
  • In partition topology every closed set is open, hence any closed point is isolated.

pzjp avatar Sep 08 '25 10:09 pzjp

It would be ok to add these trivial results if it would make redundant some asserted traits of spaces.

Without that, I am not sure it's worth it. (We can always add it later when we have a use for them.)

prabau avatar Sep 09 '25 03:09 prabau

Mostly the traits for simple (degenerate) spaces can be deduced in various ways and the initial assumptions could vary as well . I was originally inspired by the proof of P21 in #1439.

pzjp avatar Sep 09 '25 04:09 pzjp

I see it for #1439 (S6). For this space, we may choose to assert P21 and derive P107 = false (which is how it is done now). Or assert P107 = false and derive P21.

We have to assert one of the two to make things work. And you are saying the justification for P107 = false would be easier (which I agree with). So that's a good reason to add this theorem. I would agree with that. Is that what you had in mind?

prabau avatar Sep 09 '25 04:09 prabau

I was actually less precise, but yes. It would also make sense to search for other such examples. It is definitely of low priority.

pzjp avatar Sep 09 '25 05:09 pzjp

It would be ok to add these trivial results if it would make redundant some asserted traits of spaces.

Without that, I am not sure it's worth it. (We can always add it later when we have a use for them.)

It definitely does make some of them redundant S5, S6 for example, probably more, especially the first theorem (not sure about the second one).

I definitely think the first theorem should be added, we can decide if the second is worth to add or not if you want.

Moniker1998 avatar Sep 09 '25 06:09 Moniker1998

Ok. Let's add the first one for now.

prabau avatar Sep 09 '25 13:09 prabau