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Dieudonne complete

Open Moniker1998 opened this issue 3 months ago • 18 comments

Resolves #477 Essentially, completely uniformizable spaces are those spaces whose Kolmogorov quotient is realcompact.

Perhaps some theorems about realcompact spaces could be replaced by those involving completely uniformizable spaces

Moniker1998 avatar Sep 01 '25 00:09 Moniker1998

Later I (or you of others) may propose a property namely “Extent less than every measurable cardinal”, as a complete helper for this. (I've preparing for the property of “Extent < 𝖈”, as mentioned in https://github.com/pi-base/data/pull/1398#issuecomment-3188127998)

yhx-12243 avatar Sep 01 '25 05:09 yhx-12243

@yhx-12243 we could, but we won't be introducing any spaces of size larger than the first measurable cardinal, as far as I know

Moniker1998 avatar Sep 01 '25 06:09 Moniker1998

Yes, just like P164 (Cardinality less than every measurable cardinal).

yhx-12243 avatar Sep 01 '25 06:09 yhx-12243

P164 has its use, and this is the reason why the extent property is not needed

Moniker1998 avatar Sep 01 '25 08:09 Moniker1998

It seems "Dieudonné complete" is a better primary name for this. (see Engelking 8.5.13 and Encyclopedia of General Topology pp. 205, 254, 262.)

See Engelking for more topological characterizations for this, in particular items (2) and (3).

prabau avatar Sep 01 '25 19:09 prabau

Are you sure about "topologically complete" as an alias? Which source uses that for Dieudonne complete?

If I recall, that term may have been used for various other things as well, maybe for completely metrizable or Cech-complete. It's rather confusing.

prabau avatar Sep 02 '25 01:09 prabau

@prabau wikipedia, which cites Kelley

Moniker1998 avatar Sep 02 '25 01:09 Moniker1998

@prabau I don't think another alias is bad, I did the same thing with ultranormal property. There shouldn't be confusion as those are just aliases. Thanks for the references by the way. I am trying to go through Engelking's exercise and will add it once I verify it's true

Moniker1998 avatar Sep 02 '25 03:09 Moniker1998

Adding another alias is fine if it has been used somewhere for the same concept. In that case, we should put a note at the bottom mentioning the alternate name with reference.

prabau avatar Sep 02 '25 03:09 prabau

T382 could be replaced by $R_0$ + normal + submetacompact $\implies$ Dieudonne complete, perhaps T386 we can replace with pseudocompact + Dieudonne complete $\implies$ compact

Moniker1998 avatar Sep 02 '25 06:09 Moniker1998

T382 could be replaced by R₀ + normal + submetacompact ⟹ Dieudonne complete

Wrong. See notes in https://www.ams.org/journals/proc/1973-040-02/S0002-9939-1973-0322812-9/S0002-9939-1973-0322812-9.pdf, if measurable cardinality exists.

So I suggest add an extra weaker but correct theorem: R₁ + paracompact ⟹ Dieudonne complete (it can solve the unknown traits in pi-base now, though)

T386 we can replace with pseudocompact + Dieudonne complete ⟹ compact

This is right.

yhx-12243 avatar Sep 02 '25 06:09 yhx-12243

@prabau I've noticed there's no spaces which are $T_4$ and subparacompact, but not paracompact. I'm guessing those are equivalent?

Moniker1998 avatar Sep 02 '25 06:09 Moniker1998

@prabau I've noticed there's no spaces which are T 4 and subparacompact, but not paracompact. I'm guessing those are equivalent?

#742 is the counterexample. See https://scispace.com/pdf/on-subparacompact-spaces-2o1ji8yodk.pdf.

yhx-12243 avatar Sep 02 '25 06:09 yhx-12243

Ah okay. Another reason to add this eventually

Moniker1998 avatar Sep 02 '25 06:09 Moniker1998

How do you think to add “R₁ + paracompact ⟹ Dieudonne complete” ?

yhx-12243 avatar Sep 02 '25 06:09 yhx-12243

There is an exercise in Engelking referencing three papers, I assume one of them contains a somewhat easier proof of this

Moniker1998 avatar Sep 02 '25 07:09 Moniker1998

Oddly enough, I haven't found easy proof online, but I did find converse for GO-spaces

Moniker1998 avatar Sep 02 '25 07:09 Moniker1998

@prabau please review

Moniker1998 avatar Nov 18 '25 17:11 Moniker1998

@prabau want to review this one?

Moniker1998 avatar Dec 16 '25 19:12 Moniker1998