Have a setting for enabling / disabling automatic exploration of patch in Max / Pd

[jcelerier]

eg to make stuff faster on loading, it would be nice to have the ability to disable automatic exploration: this way it would take much less time during the setup.

[jln-]

FWIW, I'm not sure I get what you mean by automatic exploration. What is that to say ?

[jcelerier]

currently objects are created automatically in the tree (eg ossia.parameter, etc... creates object). But when loading a patch with a lot of ossia.parameter it already takes multiple minutes. If instead there was no automatic exploration during the loading of the patch, and the exploration happened only after the patch had loaded, it would be quite faster.

[jln-]

Ah ok ok. Thanks. Yes, it makes perfect sense !

[bltzr]

yes, that would be the more sensible way to do it... but AFAIK there is no reliable way in Max to know that a patcher has been loaded (my usual hack is to used [loadbang] with a variable number of [deferlow]s and pray that it will work)

[jcelerier]

but AFAIK there is no reliable way in Max to know that a patcher has been loaded

hence why it would have to be manual :p

[bltzr]

You mean that the user would have to click a button for that ?

[jcelerier]

yes

[jcelerier]

(of course it would be entirely optional and opt-in)

[avilleret]

@jcelerier Can you share such a patch that takes minutes to load ?

[avilleret]

At first the registration in Max was delayed by 1 tick to let the patcher load before starting registration. Hopefully, this reduces loading time. I never receive benchmark but one patcher from @jcelerier. So I'm curious how long it takes to load more than 1000 parameters. I had some loading time issue in Pd 2 weeks ago, but the cause was not very clear. A patcher that loaded in more than 5 minutes now load in less than 100ms. One difference between Pd and Max : now in Pd each object registrer its hierarchy, all its parents are stored into a std::vector<t_canvas*>. Thus instead of iterating over all patcher's object to find a friend, one has to iterate over all ossia objects and check its hierarchy. This could be implemented in Max too, but some benchmark are needed to measure how efficient this could be. So, again, @jln- @matcham @bltzr : please make big patchers and share them. They don't need to do fancy thnigs, just containing a lots of (ossia and non-ossia) objects is enough.

[jln-]

FWIW, parameters registration itself is not that slow, to me. Just made a quick test patch with 1000 params and patch load in a couple of seconds or so.

Of course, that would be different if each param was bound to some processes initializing stuff but still.

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[bltzr]

I believe that loadtimes might be dramatically increased with nested models, mutliple devices, etc…

could you cook us this kind of test patcher for testing purposes, @jln- ?

[avilleret]

sorry I should have been more clear... as @bltzr said, only one patcher with only one leaf and only ossia object should be fast.

What makes things slower are :

• the number of objects in a patcher (since currently we iterate over all of them)
• the ramification ratio : the more there are patchers, bpatchers, poly~ containing ossia object the slowest it would be to register

And adding some slow mechanism when remote/param receive a default value is another issue.

[avilleret]

@jcelerier could you try if your patcher loads more quickly now ? it should not be necessary to implement such a mechanism after the rework of registration let me know

[bltzr]

it should be necessary to implement such a mechanism

you meant: "it should NOT be necessary", didn't you ?

[avilleret]

ping @jcelerier si tu sais retrouver ton patch qui mettait 5 minutes à charger, je ne l'ai plus :-)

[avilleret]

we need some very complex test patchers now to see if everthing is fine hopefully objects will be registered only once now this should speed up things a lot