Potential for focusgroup alignment?

[travisleithead]

Hi folks!

A new focusgroup attribute proposal was released recently, and while it and the Popup explainer evolved independently, I wonder if there is an opportunity for one to leverage another? (Confession: I've not followed the Popup work very closely but happy to get reactions, comments, concerns, etc. on whether focusgroup works for the Popup use case or not.

Much thanks!

[bkardell]

Yeah, as I suggested on twitter I think this is even bigger than just popup. Our spicy-sections have this in tabview - and the underlying magic we have been holding a bit on as @tabatkins and @mirisuzanne had a proposal they were working on in CSS for toggle which also overlaps... I definitely think we should align.

[travisleithead]

I read through Toggle (assume that's the right URL). This idea has been brewing in Tab's head for a very long time!

Focusgroup deals first with focus (and omits toggling logic as a non-goal), and toggle handles the "selection" or "picking" (then begins to extend into focus). I think the two could work well together. However, there are some places where they intersect--around creating/linking groups--where the specs' opinions differ. I also would like to see the platform not have two ways of creating groups/scopes--so reconciling that aspect seems important. Finally, I note that "multi-select" (as far as use cases go for things like multi-select combo/list-boxes) is not supported in Toggle.

[travisleithead]

Hey folks, focusgroup is hanging out at MSEdgeExplainers on Github... I'd love to move it to OpenUI for continued incubation/refinement if that's OK? However, I don't know how ya'll do things around here as far as where proposals live, expected document template, process, linking, that sort of thing, so any help appreciated!

Agenda+ for next teleconference?

[mfreed7]

So I think this issue has really evolved to be a question about the intersection between Toggle and FocusGroup, is that right? As such, I've renamed it just a bit.

[mirisuzanne]

That seems accurate. I think at this point the two proposals are entirely non-overlapping: Toggle 'groups' are entirely distinct from focus 'groups' in terms of their current behavior. However, the use-cases have a lot of overlap. When using toggle groups, you likely want focus groups as well. So I think the main issue here is something like:

• Should the toggle feature allow an author to group focus in addition to grouping state?
• If so, that would mean focus-groups need to be controlled by CSS (at least implicitly created by toggle groups)
• Which raises the question if they can (or should) be _explicitly/exclusively controlled in CSS?

[github-actions[bot]]

There hasn't been any discussion on this issue for a while, so we're marking it as stale. If you choose to kick off the discussion again, we'll remove the 'stale' label.

[travisleithead]

With CSS Toggles no longer being actively pursued I'm going to close this. There are certainly opportunities for alignment with other proposals, and we can track those separately. Re-open if folks disagree.