Preset for a way designated for both cyclists and pedestrians, without separate spaces (segregated=no)

[ttomasz]

There seems to be missing a preset for case S7 in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicycle#Miscellaneous

so a combination of tags:

highway=footway/highway=cycleway/highway=path
+ bicycle=designated
+ foot=designated
+ segregated=no

I think main tag: highway=path would be the most universal for a preset.

Fields can be the same as for cycleway or footway.

This type of footway shared with bicycles is (unfortunately) very popular in Poland and it would be good to have a preset corresponding to that so new mappers aren't confused about mapping those.

[tordans]

This tagging is also included in https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Tag:traffic_sign%3DDE:240 (which adds the traffic_sign) which I created an issue for in https://github.com/openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema/issues/267

I think it would be ideal, if this preset would have a field (for countries where it applies) that say "This access rights are also signed with a traffic sign", which then would add the traffic_sign-tag and transform this preset to the one with traffic sign from #267. This extra field would nudge mappers to also check for traffic signs to formally confirm the given access-tagging.

[tordans]

One more think: AFAIK there is an issue with using highway=path as the recommended preset, since there is no corresponding crossing-tagging-recommendation for this. The crossing presets (see those two crossing presets https://github.com/openstreetmap/id-tagging-schema/issues/312) only work with either highway=footway+cycleway=crossing or highway=cycleway+cycleway=crossing. — At least that is how I understand this for now; I already added it to our topic list for our next local usergroup.

In any case, we should have a crossing preset as well as a regular preset.

[ttomasz]

One more think: AFAIK there is an issue with using highway=path as the recommended preset, since there is no corresponding crossing-tagging-recommendation for this. The crossing presets (see those two crossing presets #312) only work with either highway=footway+cycleway=crossing or highway=cycleway+cycleway=crossing. — At least that is how I understand this for now; I already added it to our topic list for our next local usergroup.

In any case, we should have a crossing preset as well as a regular preset.

Not sure if I understand. Is this a blocker from let's call it a technical standpoint as in when iD automatically creates a crossing when two ways cross and there needs to be a matching crossing type? Or is that more of a concept like there should be matching crossing preset for every highway preset?

[tordans]

No, it's nothing technical. It's just very confusing. – How would you tag a way that is tagged like in your proposal as a crossing?

[kaneap]

On the wiki path=crossing is documented. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:footway%3Dcrossing

[matkoniecz]

Is there any existing presets matching on multiple tags and having priority over another preset ( highway=path + bicycle=designated + foot=designated + segregated=no over bare highway=path) ?

[kaneap]

@matkoniecz I believe there are such presets. For example the existing "Cycle & Foot Path" preset (highway=cycleway + foot=designated + bicycle=designated) has priority over bare highway=cycleway.

(The "Cycle & Foot Path" preset doesn't show in some countries: France, Lithuania, Poland, and Germany)