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Preferred term label: hormion
Synonyms vomerine notch
Definition (free text, please give PubMed ID) aboral border of the vomer bone along the median plane, where the vomer bone and sphenoid bones meet.
database_xref: ISBN: 9780873659505
Parent term (use https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ols/ontologies/uberon) inheres in some (anterior part of some vomer) zone of bone organ mesoderm-derived structure
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This definition is imprecise. I suggest:
Craniometric point at the ventral (inferior in humans) end of the suture between the vomer and sphenoid bones.
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On Mon, Jul 18, 2022 at 12:15 PM Meghan Balk @.***> wrote:
Preferred term label: hormion
Synonyms vomerine notch
Definition (free text, please give PubMed ID) aboral border of the vomer bone along the median plane, where the vomer bone and sphenoid bones meet.
database_xref: ISBN: 9780873659505
Parent term (use https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ols/ontologies/uberon https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ols/ontologies/uberon) inheres in some (anterior part of some vomer) zone of bone organ mesoderm-derived structure
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@RDruzinsky how about: Craniometric point along the median plane at the ventral (inferior in humans) end of the suture of the vomer and sphenoid bones.
we want to specify median plane as to not have it confused with the other two more aboral points on either side.
(see this image)
Sounds good to me.
On Tue, Jul 19, 2022, 3:38 PM Meghan Balk @.***> wrote:
@RDruzinsky https://github.com/RDruzinsky how about: Craniometric point along the median plane at the ventral (inferior in humans) end of the suture of the vomer and sphenoid bones.
we want to specify median plane as to not have it confused with the other two more aboral points on either side.
(see this image http://locatelambda.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/hormion.jpg)
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there isn't an "anterior" term in UBERON, so I changed "inheres in some (anterior part of some vomer)" to "'part of' some 'vomer'"
What about ventral?
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there isn't an "anterior" term in UBERON, so I changed "inheres in some (anterior part of some vomer)" to "'part of' some 'vomer'"
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jsut a heads up (not fully following this discussion, just vaguely saw things that might use anterior_to or ventral_to in complex axioms) be careful with nested axioms in uberon yeah - if I rmbr right, OBO format cant hand nested expressions
I think better than ventral and anterior would be "aboral_to", however it doesn't seem that similar definitions specify placement
Aboral is not the proper term for this definition. Also, this is a point in space where two bones meet, so I don't think that inheres in some vomer is correct, either.
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I think better than ventral and anterior would be "aboral_to", however it doesn't seem that similar definitions specify placement
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Perhaps we should make the suture term, sphenovomerine suture, as I don't see one for the connection of the sphenoid and vomer currently. Then we can make hormion the midline point of this suture.
The new EQ would be: 'anatomical point' and 'inheres in' some 'sphenovomerine suture'
The definition is: Craniometric point along the midline of the sphenovomerine suture on the ventral (inferior in humans) side.
I will also add this as a reference
If we like that, I'll make a new issue for adding the suture.
I like this better.
On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 3:17 PM Meghan Balk @.***> wrote:
Perhaps we should make the suture term, sphenovomerine suture, as I don't see one for the connection of the sphenoid and vomer currently. Then we can make hormion the midline point of this suture.
The new EQ would be: 'anatomical point' and 'inheres in' some 'sphenovomerine suture'
The definition is: Craniometric point along the midline of the sphenovomerine suture on the ventral (inferior in humans) side.
I will also add this as a reference https://locatelambda.org/manual
If we like that, I'll make a new issue for adding the suture.
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