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Inability to use review commands on Math content
Steps to reproduce 1 Open a Word document containing Math content. 2 For better results, ensure that or input yourself some variable or alphabetic content as Math, such as in the form of a multi-variable expression, as the name of a geometrical shape such as a triangle, quadrilateral etc. 3 Focus that Math content and press NVDA + Alt + M to move into Math mode. 4 Navigate to the alphabetic content and use character review commands for review commands, for e.g. spell character phonetically. Expected Result: NVDA should announce the phonetic representation of the character under focus. Actual Result: NVDA says blank. Usage Case: Often, users may work with mathematical content at the same speech rate as with other computing tasks, and these speech rates may be extremely high. 40% with Rate boost enabled in my case, usually. Also, names of angles may be in a manner that could potentially be frequently misheard, such as ABD, ACD, BED and others, particularly when they occur one after the other. To differentiate between them for clarity and insurance purposes, review commands are even more handy for analysing mathematical content, due to its complexity and requirement of logical assessment. Therefore, please incorporate into NVDA the ability to permit functional usage of review commands in mathematical content.
Hi Bhavia:
Does zooming in work with down arrow? If this isn't enough, I would agree that having a review capability would be nice.
On 8/16/2016 10:48 AM, bhavyashah wrote:
Steps to reproduce 1 Open a Word document containing Math content. 2 For better results, ensure that or input yourself some variable or alphabetic content as Math, such as in the form of a multi-variable expression, as the name of a geometrical shape such as a triangle, quadrilateral etc. 3 Focus that Math content and press NVDA + Alt + M to move into Math mode. 4 Navigate to the alphabetic content and use character review commands for review commands, for e.g. spell character phonetically. Expected Result: NVDA should announce the phonetic representation of the character under focus. Actual Result: NVDA says blank. Usage Case: Often, users may work with mathematical content at the same speech rate as with other computing tasks, and these speech rates may be extremely high. 40% with Rate boost enabled in my case, usually. Also, names of angles may be in a manner that could potentially be frequently misheard, such as ABD, ACD, BED and others, particularly when they occur one after the other. To differentiate between them for clarity and insurance purposes, review commands are even more handy for analysing mathematical content, due to its complexity and requirement of logical assessment. Therefore, please incorporate into NVDA the ability to permit functional usage of review commands in mathematical content.
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@bhavyashah are you still available? Can you reproduce this issue with last NVDA 2019.1 Beta?
@derekriemer As far as I can remember, I think I wasn't able to drill down to the character level. But even if I was, I think phonetic spelling is important and might still not be possible via zooming alone. For instance, telling apart "m" and "n", two terribly similar-sounding letters that mathematicians love to use in conjunction. @Adriani90 Yes, this issue is reproducible with NVDA 2023.2. It is less a bug and more a feature request.
The The Access8Math includes this feature. Users can use character/word/line review commands in math mode. Currently, the source reader setting must be Access8Math.
@bhavyashah did the integration of mathcat into NVDA bring any improvement to this issue? Could you please update the description according to the current state?
No change. I just tried reading a Math expression on the Wikipedia entry for prime numbers, and I still can’t use the review cursor to explore the Math content nor does the “describe current” MathCAT command (Ctrl+Shift+Space) give me the phonetic spelling of an “m” or “n.” For what it’s worth, my work-around used to be copying speech history of a Math expression into a blank document to review it. Nowadays, I use AI to convert Math ML into plain text for that purpose.