API or protocol to migrate/import/export users [$70]

[sunjam]

Zot Protocol allows users to clone/merge/migrate user accounts across multiple physical servers. You can read about Zot/6 here in detail as it has been developed for Hubzilla and works beautifully. This would be an absolutely huge step forward for Nextcloud.

• Mirroring accounts across multiple servers for faster access times
• Preventing single point of failure when a user's server goes down
• Promoting free speech
• Decentralization

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[jcklpe]

• 1 to this.

[jancborchardt]

We prefer to use standards which are well-established and widely used already (like WebDAV, ActivityPub, CalDAV, CardDAV, etc) and that’s what we focus on with our limited resources.

If anyone would like to implement this, feel free. But it’s not a main roadmap feature.

[sunjam]

Zot now has a W3C group for furthering development. It is an amazing protocol and open standard.

Edit: Bounty Added!

[QEDeD]

@sunjam Bounty is now $70

[jancborchardt]

Ref @rullzer @MorrisJobke just FYI.

[szaimen]

I don't see how this could get integrated into Nextcloud since it would mean to completely rework Nextcloud's architecture, as far as I understand it but cc @nextcloud/server-triage for more input on this.

[sunjam]

Here is a better technical introduction.

https://zotlabs.org/help/en/developer/zot_protocol#Technical_Introduction

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I don't see how this could get integrated into Nextcloud since it would mean to completely rework Nextcloud's architecture, as far as I understand it but cc @nextcloud/server-triage https://github.com/orgs/nextcloud/teams/server-triage for more input on this.

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[sunjam]

Open please. Zot itself is already coded in PHP and works nicely in Hubzilla over a good five years now.

• Import and export user credentials as a json file.
• Define accounts on different servers as primary or secondary mirror.
• Accounts can be merged. User must convince their contacts to trust their new primary account.

This would pair really nicely with user contact based circles available in v22.

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[pataquets]

Keep-alive. @sunjam : Broken link in the issue body. Care to update? Thanks.

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[sunjam]

open please

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[sunjam]

Open please

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[jancborchardt]

Of course we can keep it open forever, but not sure this will ever be implemented.

• Zot is not very well adopted (unlike ActivityPub which Nextcloud Social already implements): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse#Communication_protocols_used_in_the_fediverse
• It seems inactive, the Zot community group has had its last activity in 2019: https://www.w3.org/community/zot/

What do you think @karlitschek @AndyScherzinger @skjnldsv?

[karlitschek]

I'm unsure. Sooner or later we need a way to migrate data. But not sure about the right protocol or API

[AndyScherzinger]

Agreeing with your assessment @jancborchardt. I also don't see this happening in a foreseeable future also for the reasons you already mentioned. And like @karlitschek said we'll need a way to migrate/import/export users at some point but I am not sure Zot would be providing what we would then need to have in place.

[Spartachetto]

What about changing the title of this issue in "choose and adopt an API or protocol that allows to migrate/import/export users"? (If you could manage to be more synthetic than me it would be good!).

Then you mark select this issue as "to develop" or "nice to have"....

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[sunjam]

Open please

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[sunjam]

Open

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[Mannshoch]

Related but not the same, may depending on this: https://github.com/nextcloud/server/issues/22732

[sunjam]

Mike (Friendica/Hubzilla/Zot creator)is now actively developing on this for overall activitypub and could no doubt benefit from more dev eyes on. Work is in dev branch of: https://codeberg.org/streams/streams

• more context and info on the fediverse at https://social.wedistribute.org/@[email protected]/posts/Aggqx8PoqY11f1CRPs

[skjnldsv]

Isn't it done with https://github.com/nextcloud/user_migration ?