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Clarify remarks for elements that are modelled after other standards

Open doerners opened this issue 3 years ago • 13 comments

Some elements in MEI are modelled after other standards, e.g. exhibHist, however, the remarks do not seem to specify the exact element(s) that were used as templates for modelling and neither give the exact version of the respective standard used. These information would be helpful in order to provide sufficient descriptions for the guidelines and enable a better understanding of the elements for anyone not involved in the initial modelling process.

doerners avatar Nov 10 '21 19:11 doerners

I had a look, and I can't find any reference to exhibHist (or indeed exhibitHist, as it seemed to be called in earlier forms of MEI). It may be possible that this was available in a local customization of EAD (from the days when EAD was in SGML and you could define your own tags...)

ahankinson avatar Nov 11 '21 10:11 ahankinson

just spotted this after replying to #879, thanks!

bwbohl avatar Jan 12 '22 09:01 bwbohl

Would it be a good starting point to put together a list of those elements? To some degree the knowledge about this might, of course, be considered 'forbidden lore' (it's hard to find something, that isn't there ;-). @pe-ro, as you might be the best resource and our only chance for achieving this, may I assign this ticket to you?

bwbohl avatar Jan 12 '22 09:01 bwbohl

I already had a start on generating functional links into the guidelines for such elements – we usually have a sentence like "This element is modelled on an element in the Encoded Archival Description (EAD) standard." in the remarks (the one above is taken from the aforementioned exhibHist element. I don't think we will be able to get correct links for all of those automatically, but we should at least be able to get a list of elements to which this applies…

kepper avatar Jan 14 '22 14:01 kepper

I took the liberty to browse through the MEI modules and compile a list of the affected elements – it's 175 in total btw.

I listed the respective module, the element name within MEI, the element name within the other standard according to the guidelines, the element name of the element I think might have been the template if the guidelines didn't specify that and a link to the element description in the respective standard (considering the current version of the standard).

For some elements I couldn't easily find any equivalent in the designated other standard(s). This might be due to another version used during the modelling process. This affects e.g. the author element in EAD, probably because EAD took the route to go more generic and thus introduced the agent element at some point. It might be good if someone with more profound knowledge of the initial modelling process could have a look at the list and provide some more insight.

Here it is as csv file: MEI-elements-from-other-standards.csv

Here it is as a markdown table
MEI module MEI element Standard(s) Standard(s) element (Guidelines) Standard(s) element(s) (presumably) Link1 Link2 Link3
MEI.corpus meiCorpus TEI teiCorpus https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-teiCorpus.html
MEI.critapp app TEI app https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-app.html
MEI.critapp lem TEI lem https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-lem.html
MEI.critapp rdg TEI rdg https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-rdg.html
MEI.drama sp TEI sp https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-sp.html
MEI.drama stageDir TEI stage https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-stage.html
MEI.edittrans abbr TEI/EAD abbr/abbr https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-abbr.html https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-abbr
MEI.edittrans add TEI add https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-add.html
MEI.edittrans choice TEI choice https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-choice.html
MEI.edittrans corr TEI corr https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-corr.html
MEI.edittrans damage TEI damage https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-damage.html
MEI.edittrans del TEI/EAD del https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-del.html
MEI.edittrans expan TEI/EAD expan/expan https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-expan.html https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-expan
MEI.edittrans gap TEI gap https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-gap.html
MEI.edittrans handShift TEI handShift https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-handShift.html
MEI.edittrans orig TEI orig https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-orig.html
MEI.edittrans reg TEI reg https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-reg.html
MEI.edittrans restore TEI restore https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-restore.html
MEI.edittrans sic TEI sic https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-sic.html
MEI.edittrans subst TEI subst https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-subst.html
MEI.edittrans supplied TEI supplied https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-supplied.html
MEI.edittrans unclear TEI unclear https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-unclear.html
MEI.facsimile facsimile TEI facsimile https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-facsimile.html
MEI.facsimile surface TEI surface https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-surface.html
MEI.facsimile zone TEI zone https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-zone.html
MEI.figtable fig TEI figure https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-figure.html
MEI.figtable figDesc TEI figDesc https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-figDesc.html
MEI.figtable graphic TEI graphic https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-graphic.html
MEI.figtable table EAD/TEI/HTML table/table/table https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-table https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-table.html https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#the-table-element
MEI.figtable td HTML td https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#the-td-element
MEI.figtable th HTML th https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#the-th-element
MEI.figtable tr HTML tr https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#the-tr-element
MEI.header accessRestrict EAD accessrestrict https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-accessrestrict
MEI.header acquisition TEI acquisition https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-acquisition.html
MEI.header appInfo TEI appInfo https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-appInfo.html
MEI.header application TEI application https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-application.html
MEI.header availability TEI/EAD availability https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-availability.html
MEI.header change EAD
MEI.header condition EAD
MEI.header correction TEI correction https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-correction.html
MEI.header editionStmt TEI/EAD editionStmt/editionstmt https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-editionStmt.html https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-editionstmt
MEI.header editorialDecl TEI editorialDecl https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-editorialDecl.html
MEI.header encodingDesc TEI encodingDesc https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-encodingDesc.html
MEI.header exhibHist EAD (actually MARC) 585 https://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd585.html
MEI.header fileDesc TEI/EAD fileDesc/filedesc https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-fileDesc.html https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-filedesc
MEI.header hand TEI
MEI.header handList TEI
MEI.header interpretation TEI interpretation https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-interpretation.html
MEI.header language TEI/EAD language https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-language.html
MEI.header langUsage TEI langUsage https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-langUsage.html
MEI.header namespace TEI namespace https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-namespace.html
MEI.header normalization TEI normalization https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-normalization.html
MEI.header notesStmt TEI notesStmt https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-notesStmt.html
MEI.header physDesc EAD physdesc https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-physdesc
MEI.header physMedium (same function as material in TEI) EAD
MEI.header projectDesc TEI projectDesc https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-projectDesc.html
MEI.header provenance EAD/TEI provenance https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-provenance.html
MEI.header pubStmt TEI publicationStmt https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-publicationStmt.html
MEI.header revisionDesc TEI revisionDesc https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-revisionDesc.html
MEI.header samplingDecl TEI samplingDecl https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-samplingDecl.html
MEI.header segmentation TEI segmentation https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-segmentation.html
MEI.header seriesStmt TEI seriesStmt https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-seriesStmt.html
MEI.header source TEI/EAD source/source https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-source.html https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-source
MEI.header stdVals TEI stdVals https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-stdVals.html
MEI.header tagsDecl TEI tagsDecl https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-tagsDecl.html
MEI.header tagUsage TEI tagUsage https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-tagUsage.html
MEI.header titleStmt TEI titleStmt https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-titleStmt.html
MEI.header treatHist EAD
MEI.header treatSched EAD
MEI.header useRestrict EAD userestrict https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-userestrict
MEI.header watermark TEI watermark https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-watermark.html
MEI.msDesc accMat TEI accMat https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-accMat.html
MEI.msDesc addDesc TEI additions https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-additions.html
MEI.msDesc binding TEI binding https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-binding.html
MEI.msDesc bindingDesc TEI bindingDesc https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-bindingDesc.html
MEI.msDesc catchwords TEI catchwords https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-catchwords.html
MEI.msDesc collation TEI collation https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-collation.html
MEI.msDesc colophon TEI colophon https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-colophon.html
MEI.msDesc decoDesc TEI decoDesc https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-decoDesc.html
MEI.msDesc decoNote TEI decoNote https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-decoNote.html
MEI.msDesc explicit TEI explicit https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-explicit.html
MEI.msDesc foliation TEI foliation https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-foliation.html
MEI.msDesc heraldry TEI heraldry https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-heraldry.html
MEI.msDesc layout TEI layout https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-layout.html
MEI.msDesc layoutDesc TEI layoutDesc https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-layoutDesc.html
MEI.msDesc locus TEI locus https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-locus.html
MEI.msDesc locusGrp TEI locusGrp https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-locusGrp.html
MEI.msDesc rubric TEI rubric https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-rubric.html
MEI.msDesc scriptDesc TEI scriptDesc https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-scriptDesc.html
MEI.msDesc scriptNote TEI scriptNote https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-scriptNote.html
MEI.msDesc seal TEI seal https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-seal.html
MEI.msDesc sealDesc TEI sealDesc https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-sealDesc.html
MEI.msDesc secFolio TEI secFol https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-secFol.html
MEI.msDesc signatures TEI signatures https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-signatures.html
MEI.msDesc stamp TEI stamp https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-stamp.html
MEI.msDesc support TEI support https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-support.html
MEI.msDesc supportDesc TEI supportDesc https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-supportDesc.html
MEI.msDesc typeDesc TEI typeDesc https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-typeDesc.html
MEI.msDesc typeNote TEI typeNote https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-typeNote.html
MEI.namesdates addName TEI addName https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-addName.html
MEI.namesdates bloc TEI bloc https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-bloc.html
MEI.namesdates corpName EAD corpname https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-corpname
MEI.namesdates country TEI country https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-country.html
MEI.namesdates district TEI district https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-district.html
MEI.namesdates foreName TEI forename https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-forename.html
MEI.namesdates genName TEI genName https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-genName.html
MEI.namesdates geogFeat TEI geogFeat https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-geogFeat.html
MEI.namesdates geogName EAD geogname https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-geogname
MEI.namesdates nameLink TEI nameLink https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-nameLink.html
MEI.namesdates persName EAD persname https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-persname
MEI.namesdates postBox TEI postBox https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-postBox.html
MEI.namesdates postCode TEI postCode https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-postCode.html
MEI.namesdates region TEI region https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-region.html
MEI.namesdates roleName TEI roleName https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-roleName.html
MEI.namesdates settlement TEI settlement https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-settlement.html
MEI.namesdates street TEI street https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-street.html
MEI.performance when TEI when https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-when.html
MEI.ptrref ptr EAD/TEI ptr/ptr https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-ptr https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-ptr.html
MEI.ptrref ref EAD/TEI ref/ref https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-ref https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-ref.html
MEI.shared actor TEI actor https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-actor.html
MEI.shared address TEI/EAD address/address https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-address.html https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-address
MEI.shared addrLine TEI/EAD addrLine/addressline https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-addrLine.html https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-addressline
MEI.shared author TEI/EAD author https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-author.html
MEI.shared bibl TEI bibl https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-bibl.html
MEI.shared biblList TEI
MEI.shared biblScope TEI biblScope https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-biblScope.html
MEI.shared caption TEI caption https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-caption.html
MEI.shared castItem TEI castItem https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-castItem.html
MEI.shared castList TEI castList https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-castList.html
MEI.shared cb TEI cb https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-cb.html
MEI.shared creation TEI creation https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-creation.html
MEI.shared date TEI/EAD date/date https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-date.html https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-date
MEI.shared desc TEI desc https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-desc.html
MEI.shared dimensions TEI/EAD dimensions/dimensions https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-dimensions.html https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-dimensions
MEI.shared distributor TEI distributor https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-distributor.html
MEI.shared div TEI div https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-div.html
MEI.shared edition TEI/EAD edition/edition https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-edition.html https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-edition
MEI.shared editor TEI editor https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-editor.html
MEI.shared extent TEI/EAD extent https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-extent.html
MEI.shared funder TEI funder https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-funder.html
MEI.shared group TEI group https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-group.html
MEI.shared head EAD/TEI/HTML head/head/head https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-head https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-head.html https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#the-head-element
MEI.shared imprint TEI/EAD imprint https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-imprint.html
MEI.shared label TEI label https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-label.html
MEI.shared lb TEI lb https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-lb.html
MEI.shared lg TEI lg https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-lg.html
MEI.shared name EAD name https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-name
MEI.shared p EAD/TEI/HTML p/p/p https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-p https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-p.html https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#the-p-element
MEI.shared pb TEI pb https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-pb.html
MEI.shared physLoc EAD physloc https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-physloc
MEI.shared publisher TEI publisher https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-publisher.html
MEI.shared pubPlace TEI pubPlace https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-pubPlace.html
MEI.shared repository EAD repository https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-repository
MEI.shared resp TEI resp https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-resp.html
MEI.shared respStmt TEI respStmt https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-respStmt.html
MEI.shared role TEI role https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-role.html
MEI.shared roleDesc TEI roleDesc https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-roleDesc.html
MEI.shared series TEI series https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-series.html
MEI.shared speaker TEI speaker https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-speaker.html
MEI.shared sponsor TEI/EAD sponsor/sponsor https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-sponsor.html https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-sponsor
MEI.shared term TEI term https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-term.html
MEI.shared title TEI title https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-title.html
MEI.shared titlePage EAD
MEI.shared titlePart TEI titlePart https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-titlePart.html
MEI.text argument TEI argument https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-argument.html
MEI.text back TEI/EAD back https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-back.html
MEI.text epigraph TEI epigraph https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-epigraph.html
MEI.text front TEI/EAD front https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-front.html
MEI.text imprimatur TEI imprimatur https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-imprimatur.html
MEI.text l TEI l https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-l.html
MEI.text li EAD/TEI/HTML li https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#the-li-element
MEI.text list EAD/TEI/HTML list https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-list
MEI.text q HTML/TEI/EAD q/q https://html.spec.whatwg.org/#the-q-element https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-q.html
MEI.text quote HTML/TEI/EAD quote/quote https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-quote.html https://www.loc.gov/ead/EAD3taglib/EAD3-TL-eng.html#elem-quote
MEI.text seg TEI seg https://tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-seg.html

doerners avatar Jan 28 '22 11:01 doerners

that's an awesome list, thanks @doerners 👍

kepper avatar Jan 28 '22 13:01 kepper

Thanks for this impressive list @doerners. @pe-ro Could you have a look at the open spots here, as you probably have the best insight into the modelling background of those elements.

At ODD meting 2022-01-28, we proposed to add those elements to the elements remarks sections.

musicEnfanthen avatar Jan 28 '22 16:01 musicEnfanthen

As far as I'm concerned, this issue is a tempest in a teacup. The indication in the Guidelines that an element in MEI is modeled on one in another schema had a political motive, not a technical one. The idea was to stave off the idea that MEI could/should be a customization of TEI while also paying homage to the work of others so that those people wouldn't feel slighted. There was never a plan to link dynamically to those other "standards". In my opinion, a simple acknowledgement is sufficient.

pe-ro avatar Jan 28 '22 20:01 pe-ro

Often, the element name is the same as in the other "standard" but the semantic meaning is not. Creating follow-able links to the external schemas may give the false impression that the meaning is the same in MEI and TEI (for example).

pe-ro avatar Jan 28 '22 20:01 pe-ro

One option could then be to change the wording here. is modelled after gives the impression that the model is largely the same. If we'd say something like "The MEI model of XY was influenced by the YZ element from EAD" (or some such). There could even be an additional sentence saying that both elements don't necessarily share the same model. While I certainly see @pe-ro's point here, I think it might be interesting to have the link to actually identify the differences in modelling. As has been said during the meeting today, I think it's mostly interesting for mapping questions…

kepper avatar Jan 28 '22 21:01 kepper

Well, there are different meanings of "modelled after". :-) In the sentence in MEI, it was intended to mean "based on", not the technical meaning of "modeled the same as". Still, probably a bad word choice on my part.

pe-ro avatar Jan 28 '22 21:01 pe-ro

I wouldn't say so – how could you foresee our current discussions? It would already be great if the thing we'll be deciding for this eventually will last as long as the wording we have now… ;-)

kepper avatar Jan 28 '22 21:01 kepper

I support the arguments made by @kepper. Furthermore, as I stated above, I think that identifying the modelling differences and commonalities of the elements would help to craft good descriptions for the guidelines and thus provide greater usability not only for anyone using MEI but also for the community members putting time and effort into improving MEI.

I also support a rewording of the remarks. From a non-native-speaker-perspective I feel it is sometimes hard to get all the subtle differences in meaning in the language that is not your first. And since the MEI community is not only an international but also a very inclusive one, we should try to be very precise or careful with our terminology in order to communicate as unambiguously as possible.

doerners avatar Jan 29 '22 14:01 doerners

@doerners will do it, as @kepper decided (while the others were talking dirty in the other corner) that this is necessary ;-)

kepper avatar Oct 02 '22 09:10 kepper