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Mordent labeled as short trill

Open eiffel31 opened this issue 1 year ago • 17 comments

Issue type

UI bug (incorrect info or interface appearance)

Bug description

On the "Mordant" (mordent) icon, the bullet says "Trille court" (short trill).

This problem may be specific to french translation or global to all languages.

Steps to reproduce

Open "ornaments", fly over mordent icon.

Screenshots/Screen recordings

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MuseScore Version

4.2.1

Regression

I don't know

Operating system

Debian

Additional context

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eiffel31 avatar May 06 '24 06:05 eiffel31

Not a bug, but by design and due to a previous error in SMuFL, that, once fixed there, it got fixed in MuseScore too (by me), some 4 years ago, see #4883

Jojo-Schmitz avatar May 06 '24 06:05 Jojo-Schmitz

Hum... You have some constraints with SMuFL, but I do not consider it as valid argument to write the wrong name to the user in the information bullet.

From my point of view, the information displayed to the user should be correct, whatever the glyph you use to display the symbol (this is just your implementation constraint and should be hidden).

eiffel31 avatar May 06 '24 06:05 eiffel31

The name is correct, that's what the SMuFL change was about

Jojo-Schmitz avatar May 06 '24 07:05 Jojo-Schmitz

Check https://github.com/w3c/smufl/issues/119

Jojo-Schmitz avatar May 06 '24 07:05 Jojo-Schmitz

What do you mean by "The name is correct"? Which name are you talking about?

eiffel31 avatar May 06 '24 08:05 eiffel31

Mordent and short trill

Jojo-Schmitz avatar May 06 '24 08:05 Jojo-Schmitz

But since when are a mordent and a short trill the same ? I just use the symbol that is appropriate and ignore the name. At least the performers will understand and if the MS playback is correct, I have never checked. That said, it would be nice if this was correct.

dcorson-ticino-com avatar May 06 '24 09:05 dcorson-ticino-com

What you call Mordent is a Short trill (since that fix in SMuFL 1.3, more tgan 4 years ago) This is a Mordent: image Left of is it s Short trill

Jojo-Schmitz avatar May 06 '24 10:05 Jojo-Schmitz

From wikipedia: image

I do have the same in printed books.

eiffel31 avatar May 06 '24 10:05 eiffel31

Sorry for my previous comment, I had not checked myself what is in the program. As I see now the symbols and names are correct, at least as I learned in the '70s. My only comment is that I am not familiar with the term short trill, it seems to me that symbol is called a praller, which is, however, performed as a short trill, so OK for me. I have never heard of the term upper mordant, which, of course, does not mean that that nomenclature doesn't exist.

dcorson-ticino-com avatar May 06 '24 10:05 dcorson-ticino-com

@eiffel31 Please discuss that with the SMuFL folks, it had been discussed in that issue I linked to

Jojo-Schmitz avatar May 06 '24 10:05 Jojo-Schmitz

In fact, I have nothing to discuss and no opinion.

I just observed that everywhere the symbol (on the left) is called either a mordent or an upper mordent. The alternative symbol is described as a mordent with a vertical line and named lower mordent. MuseScore is the first time I see it named "short trill" so I thought it was a copy-paste error.

eiffel31 avatar May 06 '24 11:05 eiffel31