Better Vampire NPC's and NPC Replacer mods are not sorted properly

[bradcrabtree]

I have a number of NPC Replacers like BBs Lasses of Skyrim Redux that I had loaded after the 2.0 version of Better Vampire NPC's.esp, the no appearance changes (NAC) version of the mod and after I ran LOOT, all the vampires are vanilla looking and they looked nice before LOOT. Loot incorrectly places the Better Vampires NAC 2.0 below that mod and for some reason, undoes the NPC changes despite me using the NAC version.

Better Vampire NPCs 2.0 SE BB's Lasses of Skyrim Redux Modpocalypse NPCs - All Vanilla NPCs

[MacSplody]

I have a number of NPC Replacers like BBs Lasses of Skyrim Redux that I had loaded after the 2.0 version of Better Vampire NPC's.esp, the no appearance changes (NAC) version of the mod and after I ran LOOT, all the vampires are vanilla looking and they looked nice before LOOT. Loot incorrectly places the Better Vampires NAC 2.0 below that mod and for some reason, undoes the NPC changes despite me using the NAC version.

@bradcrabtree Can you give provide links to the mods? Also a list of expected plugin order verses how LOOT is sorting them would be useful.

[bradcrabtree]

Better Vampire NPC's NAC version. It's being placed after both ModApocalpyse NPCs and then after BB's Lasses of Skyrim. Rest of my cosmetic mods are sorted properly.

Mod links: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/9510 https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/64872

I like the logic of LOOT for individual ESL NPC Replacer mods... so far these individual NPC replacer plugins are all placed below the multiple NPC replacer plugins which I use in this order, which is the correct order because the logic should be an individual replacer is of more importance than a multiple pack replacer. These mods are installed in MO2 in the left column and the plugins are all sorted properly in the same order:

Modapocalypse NPC's (almost all of them) BB's Lasses of Skyrim by nightmarezone Bijin AIO on NexusColdsun's Creations Definitive Edition, various packs... All the rest of my individual NPC cosmetic replacers

DizzyXC

[bradcrabtree]

Also, Lydia Private Version is being sorted by LOOT before Bijin AIO and Coldsun's Creations Definitive Edition Packs. Individual replacers always need to be sorted below multiple replacers.  https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/20318

[bradcrabtree]

Also, TKAA Renewal is being sorted by LOOT above the Dark Brotherhood Reborn SR - USSEP Patch. I looked at them in xEdit and TKAA can safely be loaded after where it should be loaded. https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/34909

DizzyXC

[sibir-ine]

@bradcrabtree, you didn't link to Bijin AIO, ColdSun's Creations - Definitive Edition, or TKAA Renewal. I'm assuming Bijin AIO is found here, TKAA Renewal is here, & ColdSun's Creations - Definitive Edition was here, though your confirmation would be appreciated. Since the Nexus page for ColdSun's Creations - Definitive Edition was deleted, unless the mod author moved it to another page that you're aware of, there's nothing we can do about it. We don't add metadata for mods that aren't publicly available as it makes them difficult to deal with for maintainers who can't gain access to them legitimately, so you'll have to add user rules for LOOT to sort it how you want.

[sibir-ine]

Re Better Vampire NPCs & BB's Lasses of Skyrim Redux, there is no correct load order. Even though you're using the version of BVNPC without appearance changes, the mods both need to make edits to the records for some vampire NPCs, so loading one after the other will override the changes made by the other. You'd need to patch them (or see if someone already made a patch) to resolve those conflicts. A Bashed Patch would resolve most of them automatically if you load BB's Lasses of Skyrim Redux after BVNPC, so you can add a user rule for them. It's the same case with Modpocalypse NPCs & any other NPC appearance mod.

There's also no correct order between different NPC appearance mods as those are personal preference & usually dependent on your install order, something LOOT has no control over & can't reliably determine. As you said, it does make sense to always load one NPC appearance mod after the other when the group of NPCs it edits is a subset of the group the other mod edits. That being said, LOOT's default sorting will usually sort that way unless other load rules or plugins complicate things. Do you have any user-added rules (i.e., groups, load afters, requirements) for Bijin AIO, ColdSun's Creations - Definitive Edition, or Lydia Private Version? I can't find ColdSun's Creations - Definitive Edition, but LOOT sorts Lydia Private Version after Bijin AIO as expected on my end.

Re TKAA Renewal & the Dark Brotherhood Reborn USSEP patch, a load after should be fine.

[MacSplody]

There's also EasyNPC, which can be used to patch NPC appearance overhauls in your load order.

[sibir-ine]

I'll close this. Feel free to let us know if you still have issues or concerns.