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klyte45
14.2 intercity trains problem
hello. played today and saw the pop up for the update. since then however i have major outside trains. i have a main train hub which is connected to all 4 outside connections. was running smoothly and hundreds of tourists etc coming daily.
today after the update.... zero trains spawn. at all. both train platform and outside connection is swarming with people but no trains spawn. i have gone in and selected all the trains bar the default one for allowed vehicles.
nothing. waiting years ingame and cims just standing forever at the platforms.
if i click the use the TLM settings, and setup 4 connections with visible line connection from station to outside connection. then i have a whole other issue.
instantly after unpausing, the train station will spawn endless trains from each of the four platforms, forever until the rail network is locked up. sometimes they take passengers from the train station, 1 or 2 each time, no more. no trains spawn from the outside connections to bring in the people.
so im at a loss. either no trains or endless trains. eitherway no real movement of passengers.
is there anything i can do, show etc... let us know.
thanks for the reply. yup no worries.
i think for now ill make a new save.
going forward i will cheese the system by placing a passenger station right next to all 4 outside connections and run my own trains. not ideal. but will work for now.
The patch is almost ready to be published.
Tip for checking if the behavior is correct: Each station window have a list with all regional lines placed there. The circles with a number are the procedural generation stations (when the game auto generates the connections), and the triangles are the manual selected stops for station - the icon and name for this last kind of stop can be customized:
And when clicking on it, a detailed screen will show how many passengers are waiting in each station. When the time until bored reaches around 0, a train MUST be spawned. If it not happens after the 14.2.0 r2 release, please let me know.
The update will be available in minutes
Hello! I am currently having a similar yet more serious issue even with the latest update. ***the following was observed on Mac, 12.0.1
Similarity: Before doing anything to the regional train interface, everything was normal. This lasted until I decided to customize platform assignment. After a while of absolutely no trains spawning, the trains started to endlessly spawn, just as Silentlord mentioned. They carried no more than 8 passengers. In the meantime, there was absolutely no trains coming into the city. Clearing all traffic with TMPE did not help at all. Meanwhile, the “passenger served last week” part in the station info UI maintained 0, despite the thousands of trains spawning and carrying passengers. (I noticed that the trains all went to different cities, which i think is the reason why they spawn endlessly. Even though I made a custom set of names with the Address mod, the endless spawn still did not stop.)
Something more serious:
- The only time I was able to see the line numbers was before I clicked on the “Use TLM regional platform settings” option. No matter what I did afterwards, the near lines and regional lines icons would never return.
- Clicking onto the regional line icon I was able to enter the specific line info. However, I was only able to see the line diagram and the vehicle selection page. There was no icon for the “general” page where you can rename, choose color, and select shape (i.e., the blue zigzag arrow icon was completely missing). As I mentioned, if I made any change to the regional platform selection, or just even selecting it, the line information interface will vanish forever.
Sorry for this extremely long feedback. Thank you so much for this outstanding public transport mod, and we would like to do any further testing to make this mod even better.
Thanks again!
Okay Reporting back in.
A mixed bag, it's working and not working. hahaha
Okay so loading back into the save, clicking my station and i finally see all this... which i couldn't before.
clicking on the toggle for settings and tinkering, i get no icons back and no regional passengers spawn, to get around this i have setup my lines, save, exit and reload the save and its back and cims starting to spawning at the outside connection.
this is how it looks after reloading:
now we are back to the earlier issue, every platform will spawn endlessly trains from my station, you can see it clogging up already alittle in the pic above.
so thats the bad and not working part. still the same as before..... but wait theres more! hehe
the good part! yes there is some. outside trains do now spawn, when the line isn't clogged from station-trains.
in this picture theres over 300 coming from outside. thats a break through, as before no trains would spawn from the outside.
interestingly however, in this final picture. this outside line is working perfectly, i get regular trains coming from the outside and zero trains spawning from my station. however looking at it and watching... the only conclusion i can come to is the fact that there isn't a single waiting cim at my station.
every other platform has some waiting to go back out the map, all these have the endless spawning of trains.
Okay, I'm aware about this issue too This happens because some cims at the platform edges when there's no connections in both sides of a train track - it seems to be the case once I see it's a end of line station. The mitigation for now is connect the tracks with a segment to avoid this problem, while a definitive solution isn't implemented. You will see the infinite spawn will stop if you delete the people waiting by the train in the platform edge from the unconnected side of segment - TMPE allow this by clicking in the cim, and that's why erasing traffic is working.
i looked inside the station at the end. and indeed i had little groups huddled together..
when i deleted all the cims, the endlessly spawning stopped. for awhile.... i have on some got more in a huddle at the end.
what do you mean connect the tracks with a segment? sorry if i seem abit dim.
does that mean i should outside lines on both sides, to use both platforms? sorry for double posting, just thoughts coming to me now.
A live example: note this old man at end of platform, he isn't being accounted as a waiting person: (its in portuguese, but I believe its understandable 😅)
He will cause the infinite spawning because of this.
It happens because the station segment is too long for the game - you may have heard about the crowds that can't crosses a very wide avenue, it's about it. When I connect the other edge, it gets very clear how the train is out of the center of the platform:
So finally he could see the train in the platform, and he boarded in 2 trains after the connection at the edge was done
In my case, I used the Fine Road Anarchy to be allowed to do a 90º turn, with no bending (ctrl+a for anarchy & ctrl+b for bending toggle). It may also solve by now in your case
haha... thats a weird problem, considering its an official asset.
it might be an issue getting all mine connected. but i'll give it go. fingers-crossed.
p.s. that old man looked adorable in that pic, like he was crying.
is this what you meant? once i unpaused i did see cims moving about. but once gone it killed all demand. no outsiders want to visit.
Well, I'm working in a solution anyway. I hope tomorrow I have a solution for it
hehe... np.
ill just live with the spawning for now. because every once in a while in break of spawning trains, i get a nearly full outside train come in.
plus i can always go back to sticking a stationless trainstation at each connection and use my own trains.
The r4 version with a fix for this issue is at workshop. Please take a look on it
sorry for long delay. been playing on and off and noticed nothing changed or fixed. digging into it further i see my TLM is still r3.... seems steam is back to its usually unhelpful self. had to force a redownload of steam mods and assets.... that took awhile.
i will report back soon. :D
Now the most recent version is r7. Generally by just de-subscribing , waiting a while and then re-subscribing usesto solve the issue
yeah i saw, been busy.
okay, bad news. spawn is still there and now its back to killing all outside cims wanting to enter.
first a bit of setup. i cleared all traffic with tm:pe and used the reset stuck cims etc... i then spent an hour deleting the large clumps of stuck cims at the platform ends.
i setup the lines...
then let it run for awhile. not much happened for awhile, then i noticed all the setup lines spawning trains..
investigating i found new clumps of stuck cims at the platform ends. i tried deleting them all again. it solved it short term then they soon started clumping back up and spawning trains start again.
and the big one, this didnt happen in the last one.. r3. but it kills all incoming demand, zero cims wanting to enter. even checked all 4 outside connection points and zero cims waiting.
this is my cannmont line... usually packed, easily my busied line... with TLM settings enabled;
it i uncheck TLM settings and just leave it allow intercity trains, the demand comes back to all connections. this in cannmont again after just afew seconds of unpausing.
at this point i dunno if it this cursed station or just end stations.
apologies, disregard the last post. its invalid. still getting stuck cims at the track ends, but i think they are remnants of ai pathing and not caught up on the changes.
i also was getting a lot of errors, debug log popping saying this mod and that mod wasn't properly installed etc...
steam being a pain i think as usually. so went drastic and cleared the download cache, once back in steam then verified local files and waited for check and download all the mods and assets again... all 15gb of it.
started the game and save back up and the lines are working..... got hundreds waiting at the outside connections. train spawning at my station is there.... but no where near as bad as it was. pretty sure its these errant stuck cims.... so just sat in the station and deleting them as they arrive.... already seeing far fewer and not a station spawned train in a good few minutes. while seeing full 700 and 800 capacity trains arriving regularly.... its overloading all my local transport lines.... had to seriously increase capacity.
mostly. no where near as bad. just getting those stuck cims inside the station. but im wondering if i would still have that issue in a new game, rather than a save.
I guess I must need to raise the range of the trains "can take" passengers. I raised to 132m (the game default is 128m) but maybe it still too few.
Wait for news at r9
will do.
stopped playing for now. fingers tried of clicking delete of stuck cims, haha. and stupid export AI of trucks that bypass 3 cargo stations and 2 harbours to export outside the city via road.
Seems like this haven't been fully solved, even after a fix that increased the boarding distance range. For me this phenomenon continued to happen on stations with terminal tracks (in my case I used the Crossover Train Station Hub from the Train Station CCP and I left the upper platforms to be the terminal tracks). I use the same workaround that @klyte45 have mentioned above and it solved the problem. Maybe train station assets that have terminal station tracks that extends beyond the platform continues to be vulnerable to this issue. And I don't think increasing the boarding distance further will solve this for all assets, since there's also the problem where commuters float on air in some train station assets (such as the asset that I've mentioned above).
