James Nurthen

APG is non normative so we try to avoid using normative language.

@patrickhlauke I'm proposing removing the normative should from the spec and replacing with non-normative language there. I don't really see any downsides to that.

No need for APG change - see PR https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1037 - would close this too.

> Does the issue exists in [the editors draft](https://w3c.github.io/aria/) (the editors draft is the most recent draft of the specification)? >This section does not appear to exist in the editors...

I disagree - `menuitem` can contain a child `menu`. This is valid, allowed and supported.

I think the prose needs to be changed rather than adding `menuitem` to the list of Roles that hide semantics. Similar prose could be used for `treeitem` which has the...

> Can you link to the part of the spec that says `menuitem` can have children? I haven't been able to find it, and the menubar examples in the ARIA...

I agree that text is confusing. It needs fixing. The below is not elegant text and needs wordsmithing but something like the following is what I believe it needs to...

No I can't - but the current advice to add a sibling element leads to incorrect information being exposed in the accessibility APIs today. See the screenshot below. The submenu...

@jorycunningham The last time I checked I think this behaviour differed in the some of the major browsers. Have you checked this is the same in all of them?