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confidence interval for an effect size in a repeated-measures ANOVA?

Open dmurphy8 opened this issue 3 years ago • 17 comments

  • Enhancement: is there a way to get a confidence interval for effect sizes in a repeated-measures ANOVA?
  • Purpose: compare the magnitude of effects
  • Use-case:

Is your feature request related to a problem? Please describe.

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You can get a confidence interval for Cohen's d in t-tests so is there a way to do it in an ANOVA?

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dmurphy8 avatar May 14 '21 15:05 dmurphy8

@dmurphy8, from what I make of this, the issue is fixed in a recent JASP version? Can you confirm this?

juliuspfadt avatar Nov 08 '22 14:11 juliuspfadt

No, I don’t see an option for it. How would I do it?

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@dmurphy8 https://github.com/dmurphy8, from what I make of this, the issue is fixed in a recent JASP version? Can you confirm this?

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dmurphy8 avatar Nov 08 '22 16:11 dmurphy8

If you go to Post-hoc tests there is a box for confidence interval. Does that help? Screenshot 2022-11-09 at 10 50 42

juliuspfadt avatar Nov 09 '22 09:11 juliuspfadt

This issue was fixed by https://github.com/jasp-stats/jaspAnova/pull/90.

juliuspfadt avatar Nov 09 '22 09:11 juliuspfadt

Yes, that’s great! But you still can’t do it for the main effects or interaction effect sizes.

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If you go to Post-hoc tests there is a box for confidence interval. Does that help? https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/38500953/200798044-c6d4f833-c779-436d-9db7-be1f8712434d.png — Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub https://github.com/jasp-stats/jasp-issues/issues/1299#issuecomment-1308490151, or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AUCLHZBLOGTA5TKDGR7V6Q3WHNXZRANCNFSM444UWBDQ. You are receiving this because you were mentioned.

dmurphy8 avatar Nov 09 '22 14:11 dmurphy8

@JohnnyDoorn?

juliuspfadt avatar Nov 09 '22 14:11 juliuspfadt

Hi @dmurphy8 ,

Do you mean confidence intervals for the omega/eta effect sizes in the main ANOVA table?

Cheers Johnny

JohnnyDoorn avatar Nov 09 '22 15:11 JohnnyDoorn

Yes!

On Nov 9, 2022, at 7:24 AM, JohnnyDoorn @.***> wrote:

 Hi @dmurphy8 ,

Do you mean confidence intervals for the omega/eta effect sizes in the main ANOVA table?

Cheers Johnny

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dmurphy8 avatar Nov 09 '22 15:11 dmurphy8

This R-Package may be of help implementing this: https://easystats.github.io/effectsize/

tomtomme avatar Dec 30 '23 13:12 tomtomme

Awesome thanks! Happy new year!

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This R-Package may be of help implementing this: https://easystats.github.io/effectsize/

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dmurphy8 avatar Dec 31 '23 21:12 dmurphy8

Hi all,

I was just coming here to suggest this. I've just seen a new paper on omega squared in Psychological Methods with advice on the best approaches for calculating confidence intervals for it, and they suggest formulae and implementations based on Ken Kelley's MBESS package so maybe give that one and the (very good) new paper a look?

Kelley, K. (2007). Confidence Intervals for Standardized Effect Sizes: Theory, Application, and Implementation. Journal of Statistical Software, 20, 1–24. https://doi.org/10.18637/jss.v020.i08 Kroes, A. D. A., & Finley, J. R. (2023). Demystifying omega squared: Practical guidance for effect size in common analysis of variance designs. Psychological Methods. https://doi.org/10.1037/met0000581 Steiger, J. H. (2004). Beyond the F Test: Effect Size Confidence Intervals and Tests of Close Fit in the Analysis of Variance and Contrast Analysis. Psychological Methods, 9(2), 164–182. https://doi.org/10.1037/1082-989X.9.2.164

TarandeepKang avatar Mar 20 '24 16:03 TarandeepKang

@TarandeepKang and @dmurphy8 I am currently implementing some CI's for effect sizes in (RM) ANOVA, specifically the partial eta and omega effect sizes based on the effectsize package - would that suffice?

JohnnyDoorn avatar Apr 03 '24 20:04 JohnnyDoorn

Yes, that’d be amazing! Something just like how you can do it for the t-test would be great. Thanks!

Dillon

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dmurphy8 avatar Apr 03 '24 20:04 dmurphy8

Hi @JohnnyDoorn. Yes sounds great but I would definitely recommend following

Kroes, A. D. A., & Finley, J. R. (2023). Demystifying omega squared: Practical guidance for effect size in common analysis of variance designs. Psychological Methods. https://doi.org/10.1037/met0000581

because omega seems a bit of a minefield?

Best,

Tarandeep

TarandeepKang avatar Apr 03 '24 20:04 TarandeepKang

@TarandeepKang Thanks - I took a closer look and saw that these CI methods cannot safely generalize to RM ANOVA. I asked the package maintainer for some insight on how to best resolve it. In the meantime, I will implement the CI's in the AN(C)OVA. Both MBESS and effectsize seem to use the same non-central algorithm for the CI, so we are good there.

JohnnyDoorn avatar Apr 04 '24 13:04 JohnnyDoorn

Fantastic! Yes exactly, those confidence interval methods didn't seem generalisable to RM ANOVA to me either, but it's always reassuring when proper statisticians, like you, agree. :)

TarandeepKang avatar Apr 04 '24 14:04 TarandeepKang

will leave this open for RM ANOVA CI's

JohnnyDoorn avatar Apr 11 '24 14:04 JohnnyDoorn