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"incline" spelled wrong

Open JapanYoshi opened this issue 1 year ago โ€ข 6 comments
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I looked up the sequence "๐‘ฏ๐‘’" on the online dictionary and noticed that forms of "incline" showed up when it should not have (and spelled with "๐‘™๐‘’" because it's not a morpheme boundary).

JapanYoshi avatar Feb 18 '24 00:02 JapanYoshi

Can you expand on what you mean? I checked 'incline' and all its related forms and they seem to be spelled with ๐‘ฏ๐‘’, which is correct according to my reference dictionaries.

Shavian-info avatar Feb 18 '24 01:02 Shavian-info

Thanks. All the in- prefixes are spelled ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ-, or should be. That's pretty standard RP, and is also reflected in RP pronunciation as recorded in my reference dictionaries.

Shavian-info avatar Feb 18 '24 04:02 Shavian-info

Shavian spelling should change if pronunciation changes. The thing is, this word can be pronounced with /n/ rather than having it assimilated to /ล‹/. For words coming from Latin in- + k, dictionaries give either or both pronunciations in various order, differing on a case-by-case basis. This one is more often transcribed with /n/ only or with /n/ preferred over /ล‹/. Maybe it has something to do with stress, or maybe not. I'm not aware of a simple rule to determine it. You will find few more words like that.

I noticed similar โ€˜problemโ€™ three years ago with increment being spelled ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘’๐‘ฎ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฅ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘ in ReadLex instead of ๐‘ฆ๐‘™๐‘’๐‘ฎ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฅ๐‘ฉ๐‘ฏ๐‘‘ which I would prefer. The situation is similar, except that much more sources prefer /ล‹/ over /n/ for increment. But not Cambridge which gives /n/ first in both cases. We should probably tolerate both spellings, and perhaps ReadLex could keep track of them like it (inconsistently) does with some other spellings based on variant pronunciations. The current spelling, however, follows ReadLex's rules correctly, so there is nothing to fix.

mwgamera avatar Feb 18 '24 04:02 mwgamera

I say /ษชn/ which is not itself conclusive or persuasive, but at least shows the dictionaries aren't just giving the /ษชn/ pronunciation due to some archaic convention.

Shavian-info avatar Feb 18 '24 04:02 Shavian-info

I say /ษชn/ which is not itself conclusive or persuasive, but at least shows the dictionaries aren't just giving the /ษชn/ pronunciation due to some archaic convention.

I'm failing to find any online sources that show it pronounced with ๐‘ฆ๐‘™ (Cambridge, Oxford, Merriam-Webster, Collins, Longman, dictionary.com, etc). It is subtle, but I too think of it as "๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ" rather than "๐‘ฆ๐‘™".

๐‘ฒ๐‘ฅ ๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘จ๐‘ฏ๐‘›๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘ช๐‘ฏ ๐‘จ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฆ๐‘ฏ๐‘’๐‘ค๐‘ฒ๐‘ฏ.

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๐‘ฒ๐‘ฅ ๐‘•๐‘‘๐‘จ๐‘ฏ๐‘›๐‘ฆ๐‘™ ๐‘ช๐‘ฏ ๐‘จ๐‘ฏ ๐‘ฆ๐‘™๐‘’ ๐‘ค๐‘ฒ๐‘ฏ.

burgerdroid avatar Apr 20 '24 02:04 burgerdroid