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Bathi and Bhatiyana - where do these Punjabi dialect names come from?

Open bgo-eiu opened this issue 2 years ago • 3 comments

I am curious where the names of these entries come from:

  • https://glottolog.org/resource/languoid/id/bath1239
  • https://glottolog.org/resource/languoid/id/bhat1264

As far as I can tell Bathi and Bhatiyana are names of geographic regions rather than dialect names. However, even in Linguistic Atlas of the Punjab (H. S. Gill, 1973), one of the only comprehensive regional dialect surveys of Punjabi, this is not a distinction which is brought up. Maybe something has been written about this but there are no references listed to find where this comes from

bgo-eiu avatar Sep 02 '22 17:09 bgo-eiu

I found a hint related to this just now. Here, Bhattiani is listed as recognized by both the Languages Dept of Punjab and Punjabi University, Patiala https://www.learnpunjabi.org/intro1.asp

bgo-eiu avatar Sep 02 '22 17:09 bgo-eiu

See e.g., Bhatia 1993, it ultimately seems to go back to:

Singh, A. (1970) ‘An introduction to the dialects of Punjabi’, Pakha Sanjam 3(1-2): 120-52

But I don't have access to this original paper. Bathi is a typo for Rathi and Bhattiyani is misspelled, I'll fix that for next version. all the best, H

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I found a hint related to this just now. Here, Bhattiani is listed as recognized by both the Languages Dept of Punjab and Punjabi University, Patiala https://www.learnpunjabi.org/intro1.asp

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d97hah avatar Sep 03 '22 15:09 d97hah

Thank you, that answers my question and is enough to investigate further. I suppose this can be closed when the corrections are made for the next version.

Edit: I should also note, Doab and Malwa should be updated to Doabi and Malwai, the names of the dialects rather than the regions. The names can be a bit misleading as the speakers do not necessarily live in the geographies the names come from. Most "Eastern Punjabi" speakers live in Pakistan and Doabi is the dialect of Faisalabad as much as it is Doab.

bgo-eiu avatar Oct 08 '22 06:10 bgo-eiu