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gioxx
Please stop nagging about updates
Marvellous Suspender keeps nagging me to update, it's extremely annoying. Thanks, but I'll get around to that when I'm ready. It just isn't important enough to nag me repeatedly - this is especially true when the update seems to be just some translations for languages I don't even speak or read (it's annoying at any time, even for major updates/bug fixes, but much more so when it's a completely useless - to me - update).
One notification is enough (or even more than enough), and certainly should not force the chromium window to have focus - I was playing a Steam game when the upgrade notice first appeared, which forced the chromium window to take focus, taking me out of the game (it didn't crash the game, I was able to Alt-Tab back into it and get it back into full-screen mode, but did cause me to die in-game and lose some progress. This was lucky, some games just crash when you try to Alt-Tab back to the desktop).
Since then, I've had to close about half a dozen update notification tabs, in several windows (there may be more which I haven't found yet - I haven't checked every Chromium window, I have 29 currently open windows with dozens of tabs each, which is WHY i need to use TMS)
It just popped up yet another notification a few minutes ago, taking me away from the tab I was editing a form in.
This annoyance is not new to TMS, The Great Suspender had the same problem....and if TGS/TMS weren't so useful, the irritation it caused would be enough to just uninstall the plugin.
If TGS/TMS didn't do some update nagging, there would be no way to detect if they went off the rails and started harvesting your data--again
If TGS/TMS didn't do some update nagging, there would be no way to detect if they went off the rails and started harvesting your data--again
That's a terrible argument for opening dozens of tabs that repeatedly steal focus. Personally, I check updates before installing them. I don't need to be forced to.
I'm sorry, I don't think you fully understand.
Chrome doesn't notify you about updates. Chrome doesn't give you a choice about whether to install updates. Chrome installs them silently, regardless of whether you want them to be or not. Unless you are using an unpacked version of the extension (which you aren't, if you are seeing these notifications), you don't decide when to install them.
I am willing to bet that you aren't as thorough in checking as you could be. I didn't see you in the early days of TGS. Either way, the fact is that you're exaggerating this problem. It should open at most one tab notifying you of the update: maybe if you close that tab and wait a while, another one will open (though I don't see that happening by my understanding of the very iffy Chrome docs). It's not like it spams you, like Windows will. Compared to the risks of losing all your tabs and/or having malware on your computer, a few popups are acceptable, no?
I'm sorry, I don't think you fully understand.
No, It's you who doesn't fully understand.
If TMS opened just one notification tab, once only, then it wouldn't be a big deal - I could just close it and forget about it.
But it doesn't do that, it repeatedly opens the notification tab every few hours as if it's the most important information that I absolutely MUST know about and act on immediately; and as if it's taken marketing tips from some shonky carpet salesman on late night TV with some "never to be repeated" "closing down sale". Hurry! Hurry! Hurry! Don't Miss Out!!!
Either way, the fact is that you're exaggerating this problem.
Nope. You are minimising it.
It should open at most one tab notifying you of the update: maybe if you close that tab and wait a while, another one will open (though I don't see that happening by my understanding of the very iffy Chrome docs).
It keeps on opening the same notification tab, every few hours. Which causes chromium to switch to the new notification tab and bring chromium to the foreground and steal focus.
It's not like it spams you, like Windows will.
Repeated nagging is just another form of spam.
Compared to the risks of losing all your tabs and/or having malware on your computer, a few popups are acceptable, no?
No. Not acceptable.
And:
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I'm not at risk of losing all my tabs, where did that crazy idea come from?
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The risk of malware is a big part of the reason why I'm in no hurry to update. That can wait until after I've thoroughly investigated the update and others have demonstrated their bravery in being willing guinea pigs. It's not as if TxS hasn't already been corrupted once already. Wariness after such an event is not only to be expected, it should be encouraged by the developer and by other users.
Ciao @craig-sanders and @PikminRed, thanks for your report. I have also replied in another topic: https://github.com/gioxx/MarvellousSuspender/issues/79#issuecomment-813972598
I agree with @TheMageKing because the popup window was created to protect you from possible problems and ask you to save a backup of the tabs before updating, but if this behavior is undesirable we can also consider the possibility of removing it and allow the extension to update in a completely transparent way. As already said, I am absolutely open to any new suggestion to improve TMS.
I agree with @TheMageKing because the popup window was created to protect you from possible problems and ask you to save a backup of the tabs before updating, but if this behavior is undesirable we can also consider the possibility of removing it and allow the extension to update in a completely transparent way. As already said, I am absolutely open to any new suggestion to improve TMS.
One notification is OK, that's not nagging. That's just a notification.
Repeating the same notification every few hours IS nagging, and annoying. I just had yet another one bring Chromium to the foreground again, taking me away from the Firefox window I was using.
So, please, cut it back to just once (per new release, of course). I understand that you inherited this anti-feature from the original code base, but it would be really nice to see it go away.
Ok @craig-sanders, let me check if it's possible, is a good enhancement request, perfectly reasonable 👍
For me, the worst part is bringing another tab in the foreground, while e.g. watching a live video (or doing anything that needs focus). It is perfectly OK, even desirable, to get noticed about updates, but definitely not this way.
Suggestion: Just put news of a new update on the suspension page. Everybody will see that and know an update exists, but there's no need to open yet another tab.
I couldn't agree more with craig, this is driving me nuts. Every 4 hours, a new tab opens, stealing focus, often at the most inappropriate times. Closing the tab frequently fails to restore the previously active tab, so I have to go hunting for it. If I was watching a video, I have to find the tab, restore the video to full screen, then rewind. All this, because of an update that contains nothing of benefit to me. If I leave my laptop for more than 8 hours, I even get two notification tabs opened.
Except for something like a UPS warning that power is about to be lost, stealing focus is never correct UX. You have no idea what the user is doing, and it's almost guaranteed to be more important than whatever you have in mind. So far, this has interrupted several Teams meetings, numerous videos, and possibly cost me an auction win.
I currently have hundreds of tabs, almost all of them with a TAS page displayed. I can't see why you can't use this to inform us. You already have our focus, so you won't be interrupting anything. You could also update the toolbar icon to have an overlay and/or colour change.
To the people who have spoken out in support of the current behaviour, how exactly does stealing focus help? It doesn't, not even slightly. If I accept the update, it's not protected me, and if I don't want it, I just get nagged repeatedly until I do. If anything, it's pushing me into installing a potentially malicious update. The notification gives zero information about which version is being installed, what the changes are, or anything that might help us make an informed decision, and there's no option to skip this update.
If you really want to help protect us, open a github thread about the update and provide a link to it, so we can check to see whether anyone has reported issues with it.
We're working on this issue As @EricMyers47 suggested, we'll insert the update message in the suspended.html page, removing the update.html page opening. In the next commits there will be some modifications in order to reach this target and we hope to release them in the next version of the extension.
