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There is no obvious way to create a table for non-tec users.
I assume this whole thing is done to enable non-tec users like grandma to edit things. But grandma has Libreoffice and she knows how to do tables, believe me. Unfortunately grandma can not find any way to create or copy paste a table into this editor. She would be happy, if she had a way to import a csv file. I am now teaching her markdown - but then we do not need this editor anymore. Also she is laughing at me because she does not believe that tables with markdowns are so primitive, plus she just wants to copy-paste. Conclusion: please do not stop development just because the most ultra-simplistic things are implemented - a product like this should also support tables.
The HTML editor is not implemented by us. If you know of a HTML editor that supports tables in the way you like, please suggest it.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 3:03 PM COLABORATI [email protected] wrote:
I assume this whole thing is done to enable non-tec users like grandma to edit things. But grandma has Libreoffice and she knows how to do tables, believe me. Unfortunately grandma can not find any way to create or copy paste a table into this editor. She would be happy, if she had a way to import a csv file. I am now teaching her markdown - but then we do not need this editor anymore. Also she is laughing at me because she does not believe that tables with markdowns are so primitive, plus she just wants to copy-paste. Conclusion: please do not stop development just because the most ultra-simplistic things are implemented - a product like this should also support tables.
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I spent the whole afternoon searching for one and it is a very disappointing field. All the authors seem to be happy with the most simple implementation and then call it "markdown editor". Did not find one that supports tables - what seems strange, because, well, for the easy parts of markdown nobody needs an editor. I will post here when i find a good one.
We don’t need a Markdown editor. A regular HTML editor is enough. We could try integrating TinyMCE or CKEditor if what we have now is unfriendly.
That is a JS component to make tables editable. We need a HTML editor that supports tables. Totally different creatures.
An example of a HTML editor that supports tables would be something like https://www.tinymce.com/
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 6:01 PM COLABORATI [email protected] wrote:
Please take a look at this: http://www.editablegrid.net/en
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BTW, currently Coil seems to be using http://xing.github.io/wysihtml5/
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 6:04 PM Roberto Alsina [email protected] wrote:
That is a JS component to make tables editable. We need a HTML editor that supports tables. Totally different creatures.
An example of a HTML editor that supports tables would be something like https://www.tinymce.com/
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 6:01 PM COLABORATI [email protected] wrote:
Please take a look at this: http://www.editablegrid.net/en
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BTW, "COLABORATI", if I wanted to get condescending email from users, I would ask to work at tech support in my real job, instead of developing things in my free time and giving them away for free.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 6:05 PM Roberto Alsina [email protected] wrote:
BTW, currently Coil seems to be using http://xing.github.io/wysihtml5/
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 6:04 PM Roberto Alsina [email protected] wrote:
That is a JS component to make tables editable. We need a HTML editor that supports tables. Totally different creatures.
An example of a HTML editor that supports tables would be something like https://www.tinymce.com/
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 6:01 PM COLABORATI [email protected] wrote:
Please take a look at this: http://www.editablegrid.net/en
— Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub https://github.com/getnikola/coil/issues/46#issuecomment-190902436.
C'mon, no reason to feel offended, I was not going at anybody personally, just replicating a real life user experience. This was not about you and there was no intent to hurt your feelings or decrease the value of your creative work. It was about the users experience and the users feelings. Try to see it in a funny way. Developers do things all the day and do not see the real use cases anymore, it happens all the time. BTW in a real life support job you must have much more "absorbative powers", so think twice about that job choice :) And now please do not feel condenscendend again :))) Nobody is condescending you. I am condescending myself, taking the role of that guy that talks about this obvious kind of things. Have a nice day!
I have done support. That is the reason why I don't now. Whatever. Have a nice day.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 6:37 PM COLABORATI [email protected] wrote:
C'mon, no reason to feel offended, I was not going at anybody personally, just replicating a real life user experience. This was not about you and there was no intent to hurt your feelings or decrease the value of your creative work. It was about the users experience and the users feelings. Try to see it in a funny way. Developers do things all the day and do not see the real use cases anymore, it happens all the time. BTW in a real life support job you must have much more "absorbative powers", so think twice about that job choice :) And now please do not feel condenscendend again :))) Nobody is condescending you. I am condescending myself, taking the role of that guy that talks about this obvious kind of things. Have a nice day!
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I did support too, long time ago. It took me a while to develop the right mindset, but after a while it was really fun to help people every day, also very revarding to have every phone call ended with a warm "Thank You". It was definitely an interesting, mind-expanding experience, especially with problematic people that tend to be nervous because they hate to be annoyed by technical limitations. It is an interesting task how to get these people down and try to solve their problem without feeling offended all the time. Humor helps mostly with this, and of course you need to de-attach yourself from the task, it is never about yourself. I would do it again, but these kind of jobs are paid way too low, people doing this kind of important communication work should earn much more. Well, have a nice day again! I will adjust my degreee of technical sarcasm a little bit for future postings, I promise!