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openfng - Changing the effect of laser on the frozen enemies.
Laser attracts enemies, if they are frozen. The same property as the shotgun in ddrace
it's a feature request=) suggestion or so.. It mustn't be difficult to add as a test feature. Would be greate to create a support page and post polls there. Because some features are great and some sux..(
i doubt that it would be a good idea to overload the laser with yet another action. furthermore it somewhat conflicts with that the laser is supposed to pass through already frozen- or teammate tees, depending on sv_laser_skip_*
shooting frozen teammate, shooting unfrozen teammate, shooting frozen enemy, shooting unfrozen enemy
which of those situations should have the pull effect in your opinion? and should the laser still pass, or be consumed by such a pull?
yeah i somewhat agree. perhaps a compromise would be to add the shotgun as a pull weapon, instead of overloading the laser. (on the other hand, i wouldn't want to actually place that weapon on standard maps). for the experimental server it might be something worth testing. will think it over
It's an interesting idea.
I think laser-boosting (lasers that boost like grenades) would really add to the game, giving you greater mobility. Some iCTF and catching have implemented it. (sv_laser_boost or something)
Also adding the other weapons, so that they all freeze would be fun. Maybe make pistols/shotgun freeze less, and grenades also wake up your team mates. xD
Adding more weapons is a crap idea. We'll get opendmfng with 5 weapons then. I like fng cuz 1 scrolling of mouse gives me the weapon i want. Adding new weapon will make me slower.
Well, if it's impossible to overload weapon for you, fisted, you can disapprove that's issue. But i always thought that it's more than possible. You don't need overload wepon, you need add some conditions to laser's projectile.
I respect your feelings Shahan, I just want to say that adding more features as optional and not forced, makes everyone happy! And it increases the scope of the mod. It's not an "either or" dilemma at all, since basic fng can still run very happily while people looking for more variations and creativity are happy as well.
Already the laser's "projectile" can be influenced with the basic tuning command, which my server (the most popular in the USA and often has more than the Reference server) implements.
Adding things optional can ofc make people sad to, because they don't find a server on which they can play anymore for example.
Dizern, you are right, but i should agree with heinrich cuz actually i hate when i'm entering the server of the mod i like and find there annoying tunes.
For example: ddrace with rainbow for all players (faced on 0.5.2) or openfng with gravity 0.1 (saw it recently)
This was definitely my server, Epic FNG. However, on my server everything is votable, so if you simply wait for when people want it your way, you can play then.
I hate DDrace altogether, but I don't advocate eliminating it. A lot of people have a lot of fun with 0.1 gravity in FNG, should they be denied just because others don't like it? They could make the same argument as you (e.g., all servers are bland without options).
"Because I don't like something it shouldn't exist" is not a great argument, imo, if enough other people do. After all, even if there is no FNG server with normal options, as you suggest, there's nothing to stop you or someone else from making one!
if you want to add any features - fork fisted's repository and add what you want. original mod can suffer from any features (and it not depend on if it optional or not), new bugs and so on
I disagree original mod will "suffer" from additional features. There's no good argument for that. The only argument someone could even come with, lol, was that extra-featured servers will "take over" and no original servers will be found (how sad!). Which doesn't even make sense, since anyone can make a server, if you want your server you can sit in it all day long.
Optional additions are logical. They please both halves of the fans, people that enjoy them and people that don't can ignore them. This misplaced and irrational fear that any additional features will somehow ruin the integrity of the game, or have some disastrous effect, is just that, misplaced and irrational. But I'm not a programmer, so, as we have seen in the past, they make their own decisions for better or worse (or just busy).
Think over it again. Do you want to join a vanilla (DM,, TDM, CTF) server and have crazy weapons? This can indeed destroy a mod.
You don't come up with arguments, you just say 'it is misplaced an irrational that someone fears that additional features will destroy the mod'.
'If you want your server, you can sit in it all day long' << playing alone doesn't really make fun.
playing alone doesn't really make fun.
If you sit alone, guess what, it's cause no one wants to play. -.- You don't want to give people a choice of what to play? Microsoft only and no Apple? You want a monopoly on the market, cause you don't want something someone else wants?
This can indeed destroy a mod.
People said DDRace would destroy Teeworlds. It took the game engine and used all it's bugs and tweaks for a whole different purpose. Yet at any time nowadays, over half the players on Teeworlds are in DDRace. Should they be eliminated because they find it fun?
You don't come up with arguments.
It's funny you say that with no argument in your post, but using vague words like "destroy." FNG will be destroyed? Really?
Do you want to join a vanilla (DM,, TDM, CTF) server and have crazy weapons?
Guess what, this is radical. I might just leave! :0 Or heaven forbid find it fun. But it would never happen anyway, with simple server descriptions.
I went into a Z-catch one day and it had ninja's instead of lasers. Guess what, Z-catch isn't destroyed, people still play it. And in that server, people could vote for what they wanted.
Obviously when I asked for more options, if they end up really different, the serve would say so. You're fear of stumbling into some crazy mod with no warning doesn't seem rational, when it takes only one or two words for the server to notify people, e.g. "grenade FNG".
You don't come up with arguments, you just say
False. I did come up with arguments, and that was the conclusion. I write paragraphs above, but you say that's my only argument? You are misrepresenting me severely, and it's not fair for you to say that's my whole argument.
Think it over again.
Dizern, download the source and release fng with your own features. For example, DDRace has over 5 mod-mods, which were created instead of pulling any requests. I wanted to add bots to iDDRace for fun - i did it, and when iDDRace servers are hosted, they are always full. But everyone understand, that DDRace with bots is not DDRace. And after playing with bots, i always go original DDRace server. Well, i again suggest you to make your features yourself. Anyways, openfng will be so as fisted will decide.
P.S. i like your english^^. it's your native language?
Thanks, and yeah it is. But I like to debate too much, lol. :P Obviously too radical changes would lead to sub-mods, like iCTF, gCTF. Also, the person who compared it to vanilla modes, mods don't tend to have the same strict rules, that's the whole point of vanilla.
Think over it again. Do you want to join a vanilla (DM,, TDM, CTF) server and have crazy weapons? This can indeed destroy a mod.
I see more your point now that the "Official Reference Server" forces hammer freeze, kick voting, and the crap maps, none of which I associate with traditional fng play. However any server I ever will host will have the option to pick your own preferences.
forces hammer freeze
no, it's votable.
[forces] kick voting
Enabled kick voting is a trade-off between the occasional unfair kick, and excess faggotry happening on servers. It was disabled for a while, people complained. I checked out whether enabling it will stop ppl from complaining, it didn't. So what am i supposed to do? As the complaints about it, and the reasons for/against it are pretty balanced, i picked what i thought would make more sense, namely enabling it. A single moron can crap up most of the game, and it's very frustrating if there is no way to get rid of him, while the occasional false-positive kickvote does not really harm the game itself, even though being unfair.
and [forces] the crap maps
they are votable as well, and if you think they are crappy, go ahead and redesign them. Geez, i don't even want to imagine what would have happened if i just refused new maps from the community to be at least given a shot. You would likely consider that situation just as crappy.
Well, besides that, i hope you don't mind that i'm not really gonna bother about those issues you mentioned, as
You don't come up with arguments.
in this particular case. :P
Well for several days what I said was true, so it's very unfair of you to change the server and then tell me I'm wrong. There was no option for hammer freeze and there was no option for openfng 3,4, or 5.
But you really seem to misunderstand my post and take a minor complaint as some huge lambaste against your whole mod, which it is not. I lurv your mod. :3 And I still play the new maps for variety.
I did design some new maps, as seen here: http://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=8620 . And I would gladly try a redesign of the basic maps.
The fact that I don't "come up with arguments" is that I never meant to make them. :0 I just said "I see your point," not please refute this long rebuttal. But, as I said, the server is changed again. As, for me at the time, it was the only playable server, I was surprised that it was like that, forcing hammer freeze and not giving the option of openfng 3, 4, or 5.
I realize kick voting has tradeoffs. The server constantly had 2 players and they would immediately kick me, which happened several times. With more players the kick voting is more balanced.
Anyways, take my post more as a compliment than an insult. I didn't want to see the official server get messed up, nor did I know how directly you were influencing it.
sorry, pretty busy right now.
i didn't change it back on purpose just to be able to unfairly claim you're wrong. by the time you wrote that post, IIRC the settings should already had been restored. but you are right, there was indeed a time where the new maps were enforced (because they were ignored up to a point where ppl don't even realize there are new maps, while at the same time flaming me for not uploading any new maps ;) so i disabled the established maps to force ppl realize it. i did it by clearing votes, which also removed the freeze hammer votes, well, but i didn't mean to do that (and restored it as soon as i noticed).
sorry for getting this defensive, i guess;)
your maps look awesome, gonna give them a shot as soon as i have the time
@Dizern: i like your maps but i hate your like to debate. Kill it out in yourself ;D and pls, no offtopic here. I see that not all 22 comments are about lasers.