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O's and 0's too close to each other

Open Feddas opened this issue 4 years ago • 7 comments

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The lowercase and uppercase O look great. The zero could be changed to make it look more zero like. Either by making it thinner, putting a slash through the middle, or something else.

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Feddas avatar Mar 05 '21 18:03 Feddas

Isn't this okay for handwriting fonts though? In what contexts can this cause confusion?

thorn0 avatar Mar 05 '21 19:03 thorn0

I'm in the boat where all characters should be differentiable. I make that slash when I handwrite the 0's in my email address. Why not allow for usernames and IDs to be decipherable? Otherwise, best use case I could come up with is pretty lame; H20 could be a type of submarine or it could be water. Depending on if that's an "oh" or a zero.

Feddas avatar Mar 06 '21 03:03 Feddas

I agree. This is similar issue to 1, and you could make the exact same argument as https://github.com/excalidraw/virgil/issues/20: "Digit 0 looks confusing without other digits next to it".

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dwelle avatar Mar 06 '21 10:03 dwelle

Hi, this looks interesting! Can I take this up?

anumithaapollo12 avatar Mar 15 '21 06:03 anumithaapollo12

image I ovaled the zero a bit - question is is it sufficient?

ellinor-rapp avatar Mar 17 '21 09:03 ellinor-rapp

It is subtle, but seems good enough. I'm curious if @anumithaapollo12 has any additional ideas.

Feddas avatar Mar 17 '21 15:03 Feddas

For me it is very important that you can clearly distinguish all the characters. I learned that still in my youth, as a radio operator, when you listen to messages in groups of 5 in Morse code and write down the characters so that you can distinguish them clearly. For one thing, it was important to use a graphite pencil because it survives rain and water. On the other hand, the clear distinction between characters whose meaning is not obvious from the context in groups of 5.

  • O vs 0 (the digit always with a diagonal crossbar)
  • n vs u vs ü vs v vs r
  • e vs l
  • 1 vs t
  • q vs g
  • a vs d
  • b vs 6 and some others.

That is why there was and still is an extra radio script that had to be learned. At least the German radio script is extremely well thought out, precisely with the goal of good distinguishability.

https://www.qsl.net/dk5ke/bilder/abc.gif

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aisbergde avatar Feb 20 '22 12:02 aisbergde