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Why is Israel in Europe?

Open Camel-light opened this issue 11 months ago • 7 comments

This isn't about politics, but why is Israel placed in the Europe category? Seems inaccurate as most sources define it as Middle Eastern (Enc. Britannica) or West Asian (Wikipedia) country.

Camel-light avatar Mar 02 '24 13:03 Camel-light

I agree. Israel is not part of Europe. Can anyone comment on this?

StEvUgnIn avatar Mar 09 '24 17:03 StEvUgnIn

Agreed.

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_continent_(data_file) as well, Israel should be in Asia and not Europe.

I have already created a PR: https://github.com/emeryberger/CSrankings/pull/6869 for this

jay-tau avatar Mar 12 '24 23:03 jay-tau

Israel is eligible for grants from the European Research Council, participates in the European song contest (the Eurovision), participates in the European leagues in soccer and basketball, and so on. In contrast, it has few ties to entities in the Middle East or elsewhere in Asia.

YuvalFilmus avatar Mar 14 '24 13:03 YuvalFilmus

I think this conversation is concerning...

If you disagree, you can consider the portal of the Council of Europe for reference: https://www.coe.int

Geographically speaking Israel should not be located in Asia, since the territory belongs to the African and Arabic tectonic plates. In my opinion, Israel and the following countries should be listed in their own category named Middle East for the consensus: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East

StEvUgnIn avatar Apr 12 '24 07:04 StEvUgnIn

Would you put University of Hawai'i in Asia? Geography is not everything.

YuvalFilmus avatar Apr 12 '24 08:04 YuvalFilmus

Would you put University of Hawai'i in Asia? Geography is not everything.

We can disagree from time to time, but it matters to show integrity in this matter.

StEvUgnIn avatar Apr 13 '24 09:04 StEvUgnIn

Israel is eligible for grants from the European Research Council, participates in the European song contest (the Eurovision), participates in the European leagues in soccer and basketball, and so on. In contrast, it has few ties to entities in the Middle East or elsewhere in Asia.

Would you put University of Hawai'i in Asia? Geography is not everything.

The analogy is not appropriate, as Hawaii belongs politically and jurisdictionally to the USA nation. Israel doesn't belong to France, Germany, nor any EU nation. Israel is not part of key European academic programs, such as Erasmus+ as described here. Indeed, it is expressly placed in § 3. of "Third countries not associated to the Programme", together with Algeria; Egypt; Israel; Jordan; Lebanon; Libya; Morocco; Palestine; Syria; Tunisia.

Even if it would, belonging jurisdiction is not the relevant criterion here. Csrankings states "by continent" as the classification criteria, and continents' boundaries are not defined by size of economic relations. Here is Wikipedia's definition:

By convention, continents: "are understood to be large, continuous, discrete masses of land, ideally separated by expanses of water." Link

If we would use economic ties as a principle, all sorts of institutions would have to be changed into different continents, for example American University of Beirut is placed in Asia here, even if it is chartered in New York and its degrees officially registered with the New York Board of Regents.

The csrankrings project itself seems to follow spatial location to define the continent: Here

Camel-light avatar Apr 16 '24 07:04 Camel-light

Great insight @Camel-light

StEvUgnIn avatar May 21 '24 14:05 StEvUgnIn

Israel has been included in Europe since CSrankings' inception in 2016, when the first non-US institutions were added. Almost eight years has elapsed with no discussion of this topic until now. I note that the Israeli press itself did not seem to find this classification surprising in the least (https://www.jpost.com/business-and-innovation/all-news/article-717204). Given this background, and in light of the current political situation and the controversy around the Israel-Hamas war, there will be no changes to this classification in CSrankings for the foreseeable future.

emeryberger avatar Jun 02 '24 18:06 emeryberger