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resize and reposition the "registered sign" (®) to match the size and position of the "copyright sign" (©)

Open robohack opened this issue 1 year ago • 6 comments

I'm not sure if the current form was intended or not, but I think the "registered sign" (®) character is too small (and too much pretending to be a superscript character) and it would be better if it matched the size (and positioning) of the "copyright sign" (©) character. It is not, so far as I know, intended to be used in superscript position (like ™ or ℠ are clearly meant to be positioned).

This discussion is a little off-topic, but contains some related information:

https://blog.teknkl.com/no-guaranteed-superscript-r-in-unicode/

robohack avatar Jan 30 '24 23:01 robohack

Yes, thank you for bringing it up. It's really a matter of taste at this point - there's no standardized way of doing it. If more people agree to this, I will change it to one of the same size as the copyright symbol.

eigilnikolajsen avatar Jan 31 '24 06:01 eigilnikolajsen

Thanks! As-is they sure look funny side-by-side!

robohack avatar Jan 31 '24 17:01 robohack

Agreed, but they're never used like that either!

eigilnikolajsen avatar Jan 31 '24 18:01 eigilnikolajsen

I'd say they should remain. If you read the text, you don't read ® but read © as Copyright (unless Copyright is already present, but it usually isn't, look at this footer).

In other words, © is a shorthand for the word "copyright", whereas ® marks a registered trademark, but isn't read, so it should be a superscript. It's very similar to ™, already a superscript.

Secret-chest avatar Mar 25 '25 12:03 Secret-chest

Well since I argued that the "registered sign" (®) character is not, so far as I know, intended to be used in superscript position, I don't think I can really agree that it's not meant to be read when reading it in a phrase. 🙃

Typically it does follow a word whereas the copyright sign often seems to appear in a leading position.

On the other hand if I was reading out loud a phrase that included the "copyright sign", I probably wouldn't actually speak it either, especially since it is, at least in my experience, commonly used in conjunction with the actual word "copyright" in such phrases, so I wouldn't want to speak it twice.

In any case I do fully agree it's "a matter of taste" either way, but isn't that the case for so many aspects of font design?

For what it's worth dictionary.com shows them in the opening image to the following article, all together as I would like to see them sized and positioned:

https://www.dictionary.com/e/trademark-copyright-registered-symbols/

Image

But it then goes on to describe it as "the ® superscript symbol", so how's that for consistency? (

robohack avatar Mar 26 '25 19:03 robohack

Usage is most often as a superscript ®. So most fonts include it as a superscript. Which makes sense as it is the same usage as the ™. Trademark ™ vs. Registered Trademark ®. But, many fonts will also include an alternate which is more appropriate for inline use (like the copyright symbol). Keeps everybody happy.

kenmcd avatar Mar 26 '25 19:03 kenmcd