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dwyl
A lower starting rate, perhaps?
I am concerned that until we know that we can get this to work, the £120/day rate seems quite high. I wonder if we could start at something like £80 or £100/day until we are sure that we have a sustainable model. Could the £120/day rate be an aspiration to aim for after certain revenue targets are met rather than what we start with?
Agreed. £120 is "high" for people without client-facing/project experience. But we don't want to the issue of rates to be a an area for doubt for anyone.
This is very much a discussion that should be had with people who are interested in the opportunity. Its true that certain clients (Charities/NGOs) might not have budget to pay a "full" rate, we will have to test it once we start looking for clients. But we want to make sure people understand that our intention is to offer Market Rates as part of the package.
I would prefer to give everyone a 1 month agreement (on an apprentice rate) while testing for (mutual) compatibility and then bump up to higher if the "trial period" is good. But we need to test this... And crucially we need to assure people this is a viable option for them.
Some people will require more mentoring/coaching investment than others to be at the desired level. See: https://github.com/nelsonic/ateam/issues/15
Regarding having enough work: Anecdotally, in the past few weeks people I have worked with in the past have been in contact about getting me to do contracting work. When I've explained that I'm actually only going to do work as part of _a team_ from now on, there have been several "really, how many people, when can you start?" moments. So, it will be a question of selecting the projects we want to pursue if people vote in favour of this proposal.
Provided people are willing to work & learn, we will be able to find them work for as long as they want to stay.
To give you an idea a starting salary for a "Graduate Trainee" at _Deloitte_ is £1650 (after tax) per month for the _first year. That equates to £95 per day. With _long hours, _long distances to client locations_ and _dull and repetitive work_; we are going to avoid all of those things!
@nelsonic in answer to your point about Charity/NGO work, there is a case for mandating a LLW level of income for, say, 12 weeks for everyone. This will allow some degree of cross-subsidy of mentoring, working on programmes for jobseekers and young people and working for charities. People can then either be placed in employment or continue freelancing in the A-Team. I realise that this is a big commitment, and we may not be ready for it in time for FAC6, but it can be something to aim for and will deal neatly with the problem I have attempted to address rather clumsily elsewhere.
Again, this is a discussion we need to have with people if demand for this is confirmed...
What we want to avoid is the situation where there is an exodus of _great people_ because they are being offered higher compensation elsewhere or need to make a certain cashflow to afford to pay London rent etc... We want to focus on the technical & teamwork learning opportunity they will have in "A Team" as much as possible. At the moment the £120 is a guide/aspiration but we might need to scale it back to LLW if the work does not materialise... for now, we are pitching this proposal under the assumption that there will be work.
I would like to suggest that £100/day for entry-level developers and no FAC commission at this rate.
Making a positive return from inexperienced developers is going to be hard and the level of supervision required is going to be high. I do not think it is reasonable for expect dwyl to pay anything back on entry-level devs until they are ready to jump up to £120/day.