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Better shelter 2: Bluespace boogaloo

Open TheLeopold opened this issue 2 years ago • 18 comments

About The Pull Request

Resurrection of #8111 If no ghosts signed up for a disciple, Last shelter will teleport existing cruciforms. It will also rip cruciforms off of dead unrevivable bodies. Cruciform should not be inside one of blacklisted containers/machines (generally ones that can destroy cruciform) or in someone's inventory

Removed "Search" litany Added proc to check if atom is inside one of selected things

Special thanks to Humon, Handy and MLGTASTICa.

Why It's Good For The Game

Last Shelter matches description. Allows that gibbed cruciformed technomancer in the dark corner of engimaint to be saved. Guys whose whole shtick is being immortal now harder to kill.

Testing

cruciform on the floor, floor/bag, floor/bag/box, locker/bag/box, in hand, in pocket, in my bag, in my bag/box, locker/my hands, locker/my bag/box, every blacklisted machine, dead body, live body, hands of dead body killed and resuscitated disciple, deleted disciple, deleted cruciform

Changelog

:cl: balance: last shelter will teleport existing cruciforms if no ghost found code: added is_inside proc del: Search litany (now partly covered by Last Shelter) /:cl:

TheLeopold avatar Sep 16 '23 16:09 TheLeopold

Makes Last Shelter behave as expected.

Its intended purpose is to provide church with new blood, not serve as a sethome location.

Allows that gibbed cruciformed technomancer in the dark corner of engimaint to be saved.

Make search lithany target cruciforms (with a ckey attached, so it doesn't target ones in the church for baptism)

Firefox13 avatar Sep 16 '23 18:09 Firefox13

This does follow Reere's document idea of letting NeoTheology members teleport in lost cruciforms. In fact its actually weaker, since this version requires the Last Shelter and his doesn't. Although,

Removed "Search" litany

Seems unneccessary.

DiaFRAME444 avatar Sep 16 '23 18:09 DiaFRAME444

@Mycah142

Humonitarian avatar Sep 16 '23 23:09 Humonitarian

Its intended purpose is to provide church with new blood, not serve as a sethome location.

Maybe. But when description literally says: "Powerful scanner that can teleport a cruciforms of pilgrims lost in this sector of space." One would expect it to actually teleport actual cruciforms.

TheLeopold avatar Sep 17 '23 03:09 TheLeopold

Well changing the whole way an artifact works (that impacts balance very much) because you got confused on how it works is kinda ~~gay~~ over-the-top, don't you think?

"Search" lithany is already powerful enough, both to find dead (to rescue) and living (for shits and giggles). If someone went through the trouble of cutting cruciform out then they deserve guarantee of that person being death - same deal of beheading people.

Firefox13 avatar Sep 17 '23 04:09 Firefox13

good PR, finally makes the last shelter feel finished and not half assed

ValoTheValo avatar Sep 17 '23 12:09 ValoTheValo

Well changing the whole way an artifact works (that impacts balance very much) because you got confused on how it works is kinda ~~gay~~ over-the-top, don't you think?

"Search" lithany is already powerful enough, both to find dead (to rescue) and living (for shits and giggles). If someone went through the trouble of cutting cruciform out then they deserve guarantee of that person being death - same deal of beheading people.

Naw when it comes to The Immortality Faction they should be extremely hard to kill and keep dead short of atomizing the cruciform, sending it to deepspace or something equally drastic.

Plus beheading people isnt a guaranteed death, we stitch heads on bodies and revive them almost every launch

assortedbeads avatar Sep 17 '23 12:09 assortedbeads

because you got confused on how it works is kinda ~gay~ over-the-top, don't you think?

I think that making thing's behavior match its description is right.

Otherwise its description should be changed to something like "Serves as a beacon for cruciforms sent from New Rome" or something. And that is gay.

TheLeopold avatar Sep 17 '23 13:09 TheLeopold

I think that making thing's behavior match its description is right.

You edited the description.

DiaFRAME444 avatar Sep 17 '23 14:09 DiaFRAME444

the item whos purpose is to find lost cruciforms in middle of nowhere should find lost cruciforms in middle of nowhere.

ValoTheValo avatar Sep 17 '23 14:09 ValoTheValo

You edited the description.

I didn't изображение

TheLeopold avatar Sep 17 '23 14:09 TheLeopold

Dumb idea, but would it be good if it was a device that "consumes" cruciforms and spawns inhabited ones? So rather than pulling cruciforms it pulls the soul into an existing cruciform

null-Aurelian avatar Sep 17 '23 20:09 null-Aurelian

I was just wondering, what If there was an easy-ish way to prevent cruciforms from being effected by this, like using some tools on it. That way, if the the person was intentionally killed, it wouldn't be that hard to keep their cruciform hidden away, but if they just died from roaches in maints you could just teleport them back to the church.

Goofyclark avatar Sep 19 '23 21:09 Goofyclark

what If there was an easy-ish way to prevent cruciforms from being effected by this

Like keeping it in your backpack, or melting it in any autolathe if you want to get rid of the evidence?

DiaFRAME444 avatar Sep 19 '23 23:09 DiaFRAME444

what If there was an easy-ish way to prevent cruciforms from being effected by this

Like keeping it in your backpack, or melting it in any autolathe if you want to get rid of the evidence?

I was thinking more like using a screwdriver and multitool on it to disable the teleportation, so the cruciform can still be manually recovered and fixed (Although "hacking" a cruciform with some basic tools might not fit in lore-wise)

Goofyclark avatar Sep 19 '23 23:09 Goofyclark

NT would rather kill everyone within a 10 kilometer radius before ever allowing someone to "screwdriver" into the cruciform.

As I said, disabling cruciform teleportation is more than easy.

DiaFRAME444 avatar Sep 19 '23 23:09 DiaFRAME444

DevDel here and I approve this PR. The ways to counter this (inventory, blacklisted storage) are sufficient in my opinion to satisfy the balance criteria. Valo, an admin, also supports this PR.

On this basis, I request this be approved @Firefox13

Humonitarian avatar Nov 17 '23 04:11 Humonitarian

Updated

TheLeopold avatar Feb 27 '24 12:02 TheLeopold

Sure hope this works!

TheShown911 avatar Mar 15 '24 20:03 TheShown911