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Legacy YouTube

Open ccrowles opened this issue 4 years ago • 32 comments

↓ SUMMARY ↓ issuecomment-721599493 (ImprovedTube edit)


As stated, legacy youtube option does not revert to legacy youtube design, and when I tried to export settings configuration to upload here, the export button does nothing.

Browser: Vivaldi 3.1.1929.34 (Stable) (64-bit) ImprovedTube version: 3.0-alpha7 System: Kubuntu 20.04

ccrowles avatar Jun 17 '20 19:06 ccrowles

Legacy doesn't work here either

Browser: Chrome Version 83.0.4103.106 (Official Build) (64-bit) ImprovedTube Beta: 3.0-alpha7 System: Windows 7

Felina-Lain avatar Jun 17 '20 22:06 Felina-Lain

Legacy doesn't work.

Browser: Opera 68.0.3618.165 (Stable) (64-bit) ImprovedTube: 3.0-alpha7 System: Windows 10

Sion89 avatar Jun 18 '20 01:06 Sion89

Because Legacy YouTube doesn't work at all! It's not an extension issue, it's YouTube itself.

I was always using an old YouTube design from the very beginning. They planned to remove it in March this year, but it still existed until recently. At June, 16 at about 20:00 UTC it started ignoring this option flag. At June, 17 at about 11:00 UTC it was old again. At June, 17 18:00 UTC and still it ignoring it again.

EvgenKo423 avatar Jun 18 '20 17:06 EvgenKo423

You can see an old YouTube design there - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiM5GYL_ePasSpyyWZEBdOg/videos?disable_polymer=1 https://www.youtube.com/user/zubok1000/videos?disable_polymer=1

Just add "?disable_polymer=1"

Sion89 avatar Jun 19 '20 04:06 Sion89

spoofing UA to Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1 brings back old UI permanently

raszpl avatar Jun 19 '20 06:06 raszpl

Well, all is not lost then! I had no time to search for solutions yet, but it seems like YT can't even remove it properly...

EvgenKo423 avatar Jun 19 '20 07:06 EvgenKo423

spoofing UA to Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1 brings back old UI permanently

But somehow ads don't show up anymore, although I'm not blocking any. For now I'll have to temporarily disable my agent spoofing extension to support the channels I subscribed.

cyrildtm avatar Jun 24 '20 03:06 cyrildtm

It also seems that the Youtube homepage wont work in legacy mode anymore? so it needs to be excluded or mimicked

@cyrildtm, ads (generally): The amount earned from ads is very low per viewer. When you work, your attention will be paid many times more per hour) So classic ads & Patreon can be succeeded by more directly, dynamically donating a bit automatically. ( Brave Browser introduces this (~15million users?). There you can split a small donation to all your sites/channels automatically / proportionally by how many minutes you spent with them (unless you favor specific sites. It also lets users earn a bit from the ads, they saw or for reporting bad ads / wrong categories.)

ImprovedTube avatar Jun 24 '20 20:06 ImprovedTube

It also seems that the Youtube homepage wont work in legacy mode anymore? so it needs to be excluded or mimicked

Ads (generally): The amount earned from ads is very low per viewer. (When you work, your attention will be paid many times more per hour) So classic ads & Patreon can be succeeded by more directly, dynamically donating a bit automatically. Brave Browser introduces this https://brave.com/?ref=imp716 There you can split a small donation to many sites/channels automatically and proportionally by how many minutes you spent with them (unless you favor specific sites) It also lets users earn a bit from the ads, they saw or for reporting bad ads / wrong categories.

Thanks for reply. Well, there's no need to specifically argue with you how the ads work, but I want to share my observation that "some" youtubers I have seen rely on this kind of ad income, big or small, for their life. My one view versus the total views, which would probably be hundreds of thousands, is still more than zero. Plus, not all youtubers take direct donations.

Again, the issue here is the legacy mode. Yes, it still works as of late June 2020, and I'm using it now. The method is described by @raszpl. So please do not take it down.

cyrildtm avatar Jun 24 '20 20:06 cyrildtm

@cyrildtm Yes, we need to enhance our feature as of the recent Youtube change. That's why I was asking whether the legacy homepage (youtube.com/ ) still works and lists videos for any of you guys? You might either just see the new one or see the empty one with the user-agent method.

Ads: True! And some people might even like watching ads. Yet the future is efficient/empowering. Any content creator's earnings can already add up for them before they first notice and sign up for an automatic funding economy like Brave Browser. An ad is a specific type of micro donation (usually very underpaid unless perceived as art). In the past direct micro donations did not happen, since classic payment services have a fixed transaction fee (such as paypal $0.35)

@ccrowles did export work in Vivaldi before? Thanks!

ImprovedTube avatar Jun 25 '20 14:06 ImprovedTube

Please fix Legacy Youtube option...

Sion89 avatar Jul 03 '20 03:07 Sion89

You can see an old YouTube design there - youtube.com/channel/UCiM5GYL_ePasSpyyWZEBdOg/videos?disable_polymer=1 youtube.com/user/zubok1000/videos?disable_polymer=1

Just add "?disable_polymer=1"

"?disable_polymer=1" stopped working too :(

Raydor avatar Jul 09 '20 10:07 Raydor

YouTube no longer supports legacy version. Broken legacy version will be available until Google updates its search services.

Do you need the "Legacy YouTube" theme for new YouTube?

ghost avatar Jul 09 '20 11:07 ghost

Well, it would be cool to have a similarly-compact look in general, even if it won't fix increased traffic / lag issues.

EvgenKo423 avatar Jul 09 '20 17:07 EvgenKo423

Well, it would be cool to have a similarly-compact look in general, even if it won't fix increased traffic / lag issues.

Totally agree.

I like the way comments and views,likes,etc looked on legacy youtube, more compact and less expanded.

Raydor avatar Jul 09 '20 20:07 Raydor

if some of you want to work with user-agents in the meantime, this seems to allow specific URLs / wildcard: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/custom-useragent-string/lejiafennghcpgmbpiodgofeklkpahoe (globally applied extensions can be limited by rightclick or chrome://extensions, but not by URL)

ImprovedTube avatar Jul 10 '20 12:07 ImprovedTube

Quick Survey: @ccrowles @Felina-Lain @Sion89 @EvgenKo423 @raszpl @cyrildtm @Raydor Did you guys 'get over classic youtube' ?
or found a good solution? or would you still like if we brought back any of it? Happy Weekend!

ImprovedTube avatar Sep 18 '20 18:09 ImprovedTube

As of now I'm sticking with the old playlist/watch later interface. I can get that by doing both:

  1. set user agent as Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20120101 Firefox/33.0 (and maybe others provided by User-Agent Switcher for Chrome

and: 2) use /playlist?list=WL&disable_polymer=true

Changing/forcing user agent or setting cookies (f6=8 -- it gets reset when reloading any page at the website) does not seem to work on other pages. But the old watch later list is much much more powerful/convenient/faster than the new one. I can't survive 2 minutes in the new interface.

cyrildtm avatar Sep 18 '20 18:09 cyrildtm

Quick Survey: @ccrowles @Felina-Lain @Sion89 @EvgenKo423 @raszpl @cyrildtm @Raydor Did you guys 'get over classic youtube' ? or found a good solution? or would you still like if we brought back any of it? Happy Weekend!

Sadly I haven't found a solution :(

I personally just want old comment section or in general all the "below the video" things like the old style... I like things to be centered rather than expanded in designs, but im pretty okay if you don't take it back because I belive its a lot of work for just design purposes.

Other than that, I'm okay with the rest of the things 👍

Raydor avatar Sep 18 '20 23:09 Raydor

At 85% I'm mostly OK with new design, so I kind of gave up for now. I would still prefer it back, but don't care that much. The biggest con for me is huge thumbnails at home page even at 85% (and extension performance issues).

EvgenKo423 avatar Sep 19 '20 09:09 EvgenKo423

At this point I got used to the new one, though I'm annoyed that I can't get my homepage to be subscriptions even though I set it to be so And also the thumbnail size yeah

Felina-Lain avatar Sep 19 '20 11:09 Felina-Lain

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/good-old-youtube/klkejolkjcefmocpgpjiefbpmgofahmh

raszpl avatar Sep 19 '20 17:09 raszpl

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/good-old-youtube/klkejolkjcefmocpgpjiefbpmgofahmh

it removes ads

cyrildtm avatar Sep 19 '20 18:09 cyrildtm

Ahh, that speed...

I guess that's because it uses Google Bot's user agent as part of a fix. However, it's greatly customizable and you can choose different fix methods for different pages. I think if you choose something other than Headers, the ads will work as well. ;-)

EvgenKo423 avatar Sep 20 '20 11:09 EvgenKo423

you can choose different fix methods for different pages. I think if you choose something other than Headers

For video pages, the currently existing choices are 1) Header, 2) Polymer (broken) and 3) off. When I choose either 2 or 3, yes the ads comes back, but it doesn't change the UI back. It's the same result.

cyrildtm avatar Sep 20 '20 16:09 cyrildtm

Quick Survey: @ccrowles @Felina-Lain @Sion89 @EvgenKo423 @raszpl @cyrildtm @Raydor Did you guys 'get over classic youtube' ? or found a good solution? or would you still like if we brought back any of it? Happy Weekend!

Haven't found a solution yet :( Honestly I would be ok-ish with the new design if not for the fact that the video player actually takes the empty side borders too, so when I pop it out the pop-out window is extremely large... This is what the popout window looks like: Screenshot_2020_11_09-21-20_140957 I wish the player would actually take the normal video size like how it was before the new youtube layout. Other than that I have more or less accepted the new design.

ccrowles avatar Sep 21 '20 12:09 ccrowles

@cyrildtm Doh! Didn't check it specifically, just hoped there are multiple working options for video.

EvgenKo423 avatar Sep 21 '20 14:09 EvgenKo423

@cyrildtm Doh! Didn't check it specifically, just hoped there are multiple working options for video.

There is always hope. But if you want to know the truth, there aren't other options than everything or nothing. I don't care if my own solution is replicated in any particular forms of implementation, but I have something that works.

cyrildtm avatar Sep 21 '20 14:09 cyrildtm

I think I've got one too and it's neither everything nor nothing. :smirk:

  1. Disable autoplay;
  2. Enable the extension;
  3. Load a video page;
  4. Disable the extension;
  5. Start a video.

You've got a player with ads. :sunglasses: The extension could do this automatically though.

EvgenKo423 avatar Sep 21 '20 18:09 EvgenKo423

Summing up @raszpl @Felina-Lain @ccrowles

Solution working (why didnt we?)

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/good-old-youtube/klkejolkjcefmocpgpjiefbpmgofahmh

Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1)

useragent has no side-effect on video pages besides removing ads


Alternatively 3 missing features/fixes for the new Youtube:

  1. At this point I got used to the new one, though I'm annoyed that I can't get my homepage to be subscriptions even though I set it to be so

  2. And also the thumbnail size yeah

  3. would be ok-ish with the new design if not for the fact that the video player actually takes the empty side borders too, so when I pop it out the pop-out window is extremely large... This is what the popout window looks like: new youtube player

I wish the player would actually take the normal video size like how it was before the new youtube layout. Other than that I have more or less accepted the new design.

ImprovedTube avatar Nov 04 '20 08:11 ImprovedTube