Impossible to build CKEditor without UI

[Inviz]

📝 Provide detailed reproduction steps (if any)

I'm trying to use CKEditor as a framework, and not the UI kit. I'm really struggling in ditching the Widget/UI modules.

1. Anything that depends on clipboard (e.g. linkediting) pulls in clipboard, which pulls widget which pulls UI
2. Because i want to avoid loading UI parts of the commands/plugins, I need to use files directly. There're issues with importing classes in typescript. E.g. importing from engine/src/editor/editor doesnt allow to instantiate the Editor.

here's an example of workaround i have to do to import a class not fron entry point of a package

import { default as OriginalRenderer } from '@ckeditor/ckeditor5-engine/src/view/renderer.js'
import type { Renderer as OriginaRendererConstructor } from '@ckeditor/ckeditor5-engine'
export const Renderer = OriginalRenderer as unknown as typeof OriginaRendererConstructor

3. CSS/Icons is loaded in many places unconditionally
4. Modules internally pull from each other's entry point, making them load eveyrthing. Example:

import {
	DomEventData,
	Observer,
	type View,
	type ViewDocumentCompositionEndEvent,
	type ViewDocumentInputEvent,
	type ViewDocumentSelection,
	type ViewRange,
	type ViewSelection
} from '@ckeditor/ckeditor5-engine'; 

in ckeditor5-typing, forces loading of css/icons 5. Some modules are importuing ui casually in utils files: https://github.com/ckeditor/ckeditor5/blob/master/packages/ckeditor5-list/src/list/utils.ts

✔️ Expected result

It should be possible to have basic functionality

❌ Actual result

One way or another we're back to build that includes UI, css, svg icons, Widget, etc.

❓ Possible solution

Clear up some unnecessary dependencies

[Witoso]

Hey @Inviz! This is a very interesting use case, and it got us thinking internally! Would you be willing to jump on a call with me and couple of devs? I can follow up to your email from the profile.

[Inviz]

@Witoso

Definitely i'd love to jump on a call, i think my email aliases to [email protected] - you can reach me there. Let's do it today soon?

[Inviz]

Here're some examples of what i've been doing with ckeditor. Container-level "cursor", real inline elements inside text elements, themes, css grid editor, multi-row flexbox drag and drop, data mapping/repeating, linked duplicate, external css customization, custom elements, web components, responsive designs, to name a few.

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