citation-style-language
Terms and variables 1.0.3
Went through all instances of text value and didn't find anything else. A lot of them have corresponding terms, some are numbers for sorting, and then we have a bunch of "URL" and "WWW Document" (the latter from the old Elsevier Harvard style) that aren't needed as terms imo.
This is obviously not comprehensive -- a lot of this will be in affix fields -- but this was easy to search for.
How disruptive do we think it would be to add a month-day date form to 1.0.3? We added a Chicago-16 abbreviation format in 1.0.2. I would really like this sooner versus later to head off proliferation of APA styles
We can make sure that it's supported by the major processors (pandoc, citeproc-js come to mind) ahead of release?
Well, it's probably more disruptive than a new variable as it will require new processor behaviour albeit nothing to serious.
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All in all, I'd say this should be done if the alternative is this proliferation of styles.
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Well, it's probably more disruptive than a new variable as it will require new processor behaviour albeit nothing to serious.
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Math locators https://github.com/citation-style-language/schema/issues/440
publisher
long: publisher short: publ. verb: published by verb-short: publ. by
Variables:
collection-date: would handle the need to cite the full dates of a multivolume series alongside a single volume: https://discourse.citationstyles.org/t/dates-of-a-multivolume-work-and-individual-volume/1894/2modified-dateand label: sometimes used by Chicago in citing webpages (see e.g. the Wikipedia example in https://www.chicagomanualofstyle.org/tools_citationguide/citation-guide-1.html)accepted-dateand label: Chicago wants this in 14.75:Marc K. Chan et al., “The Effect of Job Search Requirements on Family Welfare Receipt,” Journal of Labor Economics, accepted January 6, 2023, forthcoming.
critical-editoras a name type: some styles format edited volumes and critical editions of primary sources differently, e.g. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-ecclesiastical-history/information/author-instructions/preparing-your-materialsartistic-directoras a name type: 'art dir.'/'art direction' in Chicago 14.5archived-dateandarchived-url: to handle a case such as Chicago 14.104, cf. #387:“Academics,” Howard University, https://howard.edu/academics, archived October 19, 2023, at https://perma.cc/W39H-X2SP.
Terms:
reprint(for repr./reprint, used e.g. in Chicago and MHRA)- terms/labels corresponding to all date variables, especially
available-date,issued,submitted
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translated-titleto cover a case such as CMOS 13.101:Kern, W. “Waar verzamelde Pigafetta zijn Maleise woorden?” [Where did Pigafetta collect his Malaysian words?]. Tijdschrift voor Indische taal-, land- en volkenkunde 78 (1938): 271–73.
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asmight be a useful term (e.g. to get both 'originally published' and 'originally published as' withoriginal-work-published)
released term, for CMOS 14.169:
Microsoft Word for Microsoft 365 for Windows, v. 2306, build 16.0.16529.20226, released August 8, 2023.
container-editorfor the editor(s) of a multivolume work (in the sense of CMOS 17e, 14.116–14.122)container-date- Note that
collection-editoralready exists, but since CMOS strictly differentiates between 'multivolume works' (equivalent to CSL'scontainer-...variables) and 'series' (in the sense of CMOS 17e, 14.123–14.126; equivalent to CSL'scollection-...variables), and both levels may co-occur (CMOS 17e, 14.125, 'Multivolume work within a series'), we need the full set of variables, including:container-title,container-editor,container-date, as well ascollection-title,collection-editor, andcollection-date.- For comparison, biblatex also makes a clear distinction between
maintitle(the title of a multivolume work) andseriesfields.
- For comparison, biblatex also makes a clear distinction between
- I’d go as far as to say that we should hold off on rolling out styles that use
collection-editorfor multivolume work editors untilcontainer-editoris available. If we don't, we risk creating a lock-in that will cause considerable problems down the line. - In particular, with respect to
container-editor, I would therefore like to echo the suggestion made earlier in this thread by @bwiernik on a different variable: ‘I would really like this sooner versus later … We can make sure that it's supported by the major processors (pandoc, citeproc-js come to mind) ahead of release?’
- Note that
@njbart I've come up with a way to distinguish between a series and multivolume editor in https://github.com/citation-style-language/styles/pull/7424 – assuming that collection-editor applies to container-title if volume-title or number-of-volumes is specified, and otherwise that it applies to the series. Having a separate variable would definitely be easier for programming the style if we were starting from scratch, but it basically works right now, and it could be years before an alternative to collection-editor is available in Zotero.
@adunning Thank you. Fair enough. I’m still concerned that once users start populating the ‘Series Editor’ field in the Zotero GUI, or collection-editor in CSL-JSON or CSL-YAML with what by rights are multivolume editors, can we get all users to migrate these data to ‘Multivolume Editor’/container-editor later on?
That's why I suggest fast-tracking the introduction of at least container-editor. I'm eager to hear what others think about this idea.
I think container-editor could be reasonable, so let's hold off on any complex conditional logic for now.
I am confused about the details of multivolume works and the meanings we are adopting for title, container-title, and volume-title. Could we start a discussion of that in another issue or a discussion on the CSL Discourse?
It would be very helpful to have episode and season variables for citing broadcasts.
It would be very helpful to have episode and season variables for citing broadcasts.
The combination season+episode number is typically stored together in number when imported from IMDB, which is rhe peincipal source of metadata for TV.
A term for each date variable
issued: "created"original-date: "originally created"
critical-editor as a name type: some styles format edited volumes and critical editions of primary sources differently, e.g. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-ecclesiastical-history/information/author-instructions/preparing-your-materials
@adunning How is this different from distinguishing between a textual editor (editor) and the coordinating editor of an edited volume (editorial-director)?