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Not working on Clio V

Open jaggyjags opened this issue 4 years ago • 351 comments

I can connect, read all the values but I cannot change any of them, i've heard it is also the case for Captur 2, both using Easy link systems. Is there a work in progress? Anything I can try? Thanks!

jaggyjags avatar Jun 18 '20 19:06 jaggyjags

https://www.bosch-mobility-solutions.com/en/products-and-services/passenger-cars-and-light-commercial-vehicles/connectivity-solutions/central-gateway/ The CGW contains a write lock that can only be deactivated via an online connection to the Renault server. You can only try to connect to the ecu in front of the CGW.

KarelSvo avatar Jun 25 '20 15:06 KarelSvo

Same here. I hope someone do something about this security(?) system.

EXcomZkko avatar Jul 01 '20 17:07 EXcomZkko

According to a Renault employee, the recently released cars have the gateway locked. I tried coding through ddt4all but stopped writing step. Has anyone solved it?

jjaemny avatar Oct 04 '20 12:10 jjaemny

You need to connect can lines directly from BCM, not OBD to avoid CGW.

pilotkalem avatar Nov 04 '20 07:11 pilotkalem

You need to connect can lines directly from BCM, not OBD to avoid CGW.

Any walkthrough about it?

EXcomZkko avatar Nov 04 '20 14:11 EXcomZkko

You need to connect can lines directly from BCM, not OBD to avoid CGW.

Was wondering if it was possible, is it working ? If so, you just have to connect CANH/CANL lines from OBD adapter directly to CANH/CANL from ECU, that will bypass the gateway. You may need ECU pinouts, though

cedricp avatar Nov 04 '20 14:11 cedricp

You need to connect can lines directly from BCM, not OBD to avoid CGW.

Was wondering if it was possible, is it working ? If so, you just have to connect CANH/CANL lines from OBD adapter directly to CANH/CANL from ECU, that will bypass the gateway. You may need ECU pinouts, though

When you try to WRITE data to ECU, CGW makes an echo with a part of DDT4ALL write command. So the real command newer arrives to ECU correctly. If you connect CAN Lines directly to BCM then CGW will not work - because you are at internal network. and YES, I TRIED- WORKED. I tried because I sniffed the traffic and saw what CGW do and found this solution. BCM is located under left - down of steering wheel. I dont rebember the pin out but its easy to locate.

pilotkalem avatar Nov 04 '20 19:11 pilotkalem

@pilotkalem So, If we connect to BCM; we can send write command to other ECU's on same the network too?

EXcomZkko avatar Nov 05 '20 07:11 EXcomZkko

@pilotkalem So, If we connect to BCM; we can send write command to other ECU's on same the network too?

Yes, with that connection you will join internal can network so you can communicate with all other ecu's as well. I said BCM can because it the easiest location to join internal can network.

pilotkalem avatar Nov 05 '20 08:11 pilotkalem

Does it mean that ddt4all will have write option Clio V someday?

passyk avatar Dec 05 '20 22:12 passyk

Friends Clio V is there any new development regarding the problem of connecting to the vehicle? Currently, there are those who have achieved this and uploaded the video of the vehicles they have implemented on Youtube. So it is possible to connect to this vehicle.

Yolgezer avatar Jan 01 '21 17:01 Yolgezer

Friends Clio V is there any new development regarding the problem of connecting to the vehicle?

There are no problems with the connection, you just have to connect the Elm directly to the body control module.

KarelSvo avatar Jan 01 '21 18:01 KarelSvo

Friends Clio V is there any new development regarding the problem of connecting to the vehicle?

There are no problems with the connection, you just have to connect the Elm directly to the body control module.

That's true however it's not possible to save changes. Is this still true? Or maybe I have old informations and writing is already implemented?

passyk avatar Jan 02 '21 01:01 passyk

Guys, as I said before, you can WRITE parameters to Clio 5 with proper connection - directly to bcm can lines. I tested many times.

2 Oca 2021 Cmt 04:05 tarihinde passyk [email protected] şunu yazdı:

Friends Clio V is there any new development regarding the problem of connecting to the vehicle?

There are no problems with the connection, you just have to connect the Elm directly to the body control module.

That's true however it's not possible to save changes. Is this still true? Or maybe I have old informations and writing is already implemented?

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pilotkalem avatar Jan 02 '21 09:01 pilotkalem

Is there any manual how to do it? What kind of interface is needed?

passyk avatar Jan 02 '21 10:01 passyk

Actually we only need BCM pinout for this. Could anyone reach this information?

EXcomZkko avatar Jan 02 '21 12:01 EXcomZkko

Elm327. Just separate can lines from İnternete abd connect direcrly to bcm thats all.

2 Oca 2021 Cmt 15:13 tarihinde EXcomZkko [email protected] şunu yazdı:

Actually we only need BCM pinout for this. Could anyone reach this information?

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pilotkalem avatar Jan 02 '21 12:01 pilotkalem

Actually we only need BCM pinout for this. Could anyone reach this information?

Give a mail address.

KarelSvo avatar Jan 02 '21 15:01 KarelSvo

Actually we only need BCM pinout for this. Could anyone reach this information?

Give a mail address.

e*****@hotmail.com. (Thanks)

EXcomZkko avatar Jan 02 '21 16:01 EXcomZkko

Actually we only need BCM pinout for this. Could anyone reach this information?

Give a mail address.

[email protected] Thanks.

karadas87 avatar Jan 04 '21 07:01 karadas87

Guys, as I said before, you can WRITE parameters to Clio 5 with proper connection - directly to bcm can lines. I tested many times. 2 Oca 2021 Cmt 04:05 tarihinde passyk [email protected] şunu yazdı: Friends Clio V is there any new development regarding the problem of connecting to the vehicle? There are no problems with the connection, you just have to connect the Elm directly to the body control module. That's true however it's not possible to save changes. Is this still true? Or maybe I have old informations and writing is already implemented? — You are receiving this because you were mentioned. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#404 (comment)>, or unsubscribe https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/ARUBTA4JEW7TYVV6OL6VPHTSXZWOVANCNFSM4OCB4W2A .

Can you show me the picture of connecting BCM and ELM327? I am a Korean who is riding the xm3 called Arkana in a foreign country. Arkana can be coded using elm327, but xm3 cannot be stored as modified values. I ask for your help me. Thank you.

jjaemny avatar Jan 05 '21 05:01 jjaemny

Actually we only need BCM pinout for this. Could anyone reach this information?

Give a mail address.

first, thx for give me this topic.

Is it possible to have this information please?

thx

jordirs2004 avatar Jan 05 '21 13:01 jordirs2004

Actually we only need BCM pinout for this. Could anyone reach this information?

Give a mail address.

Can you send me that information ? Thank you very much in advance! [email protected]

giammi553 avatar Jan 05 '21 20:01 giammi553

hi all, is one you tried to connect directly on the BCM? does-it work? Thx

jordirs2004 avatar Jan 08 '21 15:01 jordirs2004

When you try to WRITE data to ECU, CGW makes an echo with a part of DDT4ALL write command. So the real command newer arrives to ECU correctly. If you connect CAN Lines directly to BCM then CGW will not work - because you are at internal network. and YES, I TRIED- WORKED. I tried because I sniffed the traffic and saw what CGW do and found this solution. BCM is located under left - down of steering wheel. I dont rebember the pin out but its easy to locate.

Have you only observed the free exchange of data between the control units? Or have you reached all control devices from the BCM via ISOTP Can address? ISOTP access is required to change configurations. Research so far has shown that there are various gateway channels to which several control units are assigned. If you connect directly to the BCM, only the control devices of the channel to which the BCM is assigned can be reached via ISOTP. Radio (multimedia channel 2) cannot be reached from the BCM (general channel) via ISOTP. Did you have other experiences?

KarelSvo avatar Jan 11 '21 18:01 KarelSvo

Actually we only need BCM pinout for this. Could anyone reach this information?

Give a mail address.

Covid you kindly send it to me too? [email protected]

Probably are the white/green wire but any help will be needed. Thanks

gacocz avatar Jan 23 '21 22:01 gacocz

Actually we only need BCM pinout for this. Could anyone reach this information?

Give a mail address.

Actually we only need BCM pinout for this. Could anyone reach this information?

Give a mail address. could you please send to [email protected] thanks,

ustunkaya07 avatar Jan 31 '21 14:01 ustunkaya07

Actually we only need BCM pinout for this. Could anyone reach this information?

Give a mail address.

Can you send me that information ? [email protected] Thanks!

pboleta avatar Feb 26 '21 13:02 pboleta

Sorry, I don't have any wiring diagram or pinout to share.

Anyway if you want I can send you my progress.

I want to cut the Can L and Can H pin on my OBD interface and put it directly in other can network point, when I will found the correct point maybr i can write because sgw is bypassed...

Il Ven 26 Feb 2021, 14:15 pboleta [email protected] ha scritto:

Actually we only need BCM pinout for this. Could anyone reach this information?

Give a mail address.

Can you send me that information ? [email protected] Thanks!

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gacocz avatar Feb 26 '21 13:02 gacocz

Hi, I appreciate if you share your information and progress, I would be very grateful. I once spoke to a German guy who provided me with this information, but which I have not tested as I still have my car under warranty. I don't know if it is useful to you or you were already aware of it. Anyway, here is the attachment.

Regards Pedro


De: gacocz [email protected] Enviado: 26 de fevereiro de 2021 13:37 Para: cedricp/ddt4all [email protected] Cc: pboleta [email protected]; Comment [email protected] Assunto: Re: [cedricp/ddt4all] Not working on Clio V (#404)

Sorry, I don't have any wiring diagram or pinout to share.

Anyway if you want I can send you my progress.

I want to cut the Can L and Can H pin on my OBD interface and put it directly in other can network point, when I will found the correct point maybr i can write because sgw is bypassed...

Il Ven 26 Feb 2021, 14:15 pboleta [email protected] ha scritto:

Actually we only need BCM pinout for this. Could anyone reach this information?

Give a mail address.

Can you send me that information ? [email protected] Thanks!

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pboleta avatar Feb 26 '21 14:02 pboleta