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kapp-controller pod crashes with CrashLoopBackoff error and timed out error in it's logs

Open nayan-mistry opened this issue 3 years ago • 6 comments

What steps did you take: Deployed kapp controller using below command in our k8s cluster having version 1.20.6

kubectl apply -f https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-kapp-controller/releases/latest/download/release.yml

What happened: The kapp-controller object's pod crashes and continuously restarts itself with CrashLoopBackoff reason. The pod's detailed log is shared below:-

{"level":"info","ts":1642515666.2918875,"logger":"kc.main","msg":"kapp-controller","version":"v0.31.0"} {"level":"info","ts":1642515666.2919252,"logger":"kc.controller","msg":"start controller"} {"level":"info","ts":1642515666.2919319,"logger":"kc.controller","msg":"setting up manager"} I0118 14:21:07.343016 15 request.go:665] Waited for 1.030614398s due to client-side throttling, not priority and fairness, request: GET:https://10.x.x.x:443/apis/rbac.authorization.k8s.io/v1?timeout=32s {"level":"info","ts":1642515669.9956732,"logger":"controller-runtime.metrics","msg":"Metrics server is starting to listen","addr":":8080"} {"level":"info","ts":1642515669.9991837,"logger":"kc.controller","msg":"setting up controller"} {"level":"info","ts":1642515670.0135179,"logger":"kc.controller","msg":"setting up metrics"} I0118 14:21:10.622679 15 serving.go:341] Generated self-signed cert (/home/kapp-controller/kc-agg-api-selfsigned-certs/kapp-controller.crt, /home/kapp-controller/kc-agg-api-selfsigned-certs/kapp-controller.key) I0118 14:21:10.622939 15 apiserver.go:211] Syncing CA certificate with APIServices I0118 14:21:11.074417 15 plugins.go:158] Loaded 2 mutating admission controller(s) successfully in the following order: NamespaceLifecycle,MutatingAdmissionWebhook. I0118 14:21:11.074495 15 plugins.go:161] Loaded 1 validating admission controller(s) successfully in the following order: ValidatingAdmissionWebhook. I0118 14:21:11.110261 15 secure_serving.go:266] Serving securely on 0.0.0.0:10350 I0118 14:21:11.110342 15 requestheader_controller.go:169] Starting RequestHeaderAuthRequestController I0118 14:21:11.110355 15 shared_informer.go:240] Waiting for caches to sync for RequestHeaderAuthRequestController I0118 14:21:11.110396 15 dynamic_serving_content.go:129] "Starting controller" name="serving-cert::/home/kapp-controller/kc-agg-api-selfsigned-certs/kapp-controller.crt::/home/kapp-controller/kc-agg-api-selfsigned-certs/kapp-controller.key" I0118 14:21:11.110452 15 configmap_cafile_content.go:201] "Starting controller" name="client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::client-ca-file" I0118 14:21:11.110459 15 shared_informer.go:240] Waiting for caches to sync for client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::client-ca-file I0118 14:21:11.110567 15 configmap_cafile_content.go:201] "Starting controller" name="client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::requestheader-client-ca-file" I0118 14:21:11.110576 15 apf_controller.go:312] Starting API Priority and Fairness config controller I0118 14:21:11.110593 15 shared_informer.go:240] Waiting for caches to sync for client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::requestheader-client-ca-file I0118 14:21:11.111424 15 tlsconfig.go:240] "Starting DynamicServingCertificateController" I0118 14:21:11.210814 15 apf_controller.go:317] Running API Priority and Fairness config worker I0118 14:21:11.210826 15 shared_informer.go:247] Caches are synced for client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::client-ca-file I0118 14:21:11.210842 15 shared_informer.go:247] Caches are synced for RequestHeaderAuthRequestController I0118 14:21:11.211015 15 shared_informer.go:247] Caches are synced for client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::requestheader-client-ca-file {"level":"error","ts":1642515731.5785398,"logger":"kc.main","msg":"Exited run with error","error":"Starting API server: timed out after 1m0s waiting for api server to become healthy. Check the status by running kubectl get apiservices v1alpha1.data.packaging.carvel.dev -o yaml"} {"level":"error","ts":1642515731.5832264,"logger":"kc.init","msg":"Could not start controller","error":"exit status 1"}

What did you expect: The pod in ready state without any error.

Anything else you would like to add: Similar issue (#328) mentioned here. To double check that it's not due to dis-allowed container port used in kapp-controller we even changed the targetPort of kapp-controller pod to one that works for other controller but we faced the same timeout error. So, that root cause is ruled out as described in issue #388.

We even added the max resource limits to controller deployment object to 2 cpu and mem 2 Gi but that too did not help.

Environment:

  • kapp Controller version (execute kubectl get deployment -n kapp-controller kapp-controller -o yaml and the annotation is kbld.k14s.io/images): kbld.k14s.io/images
  • Kubernetes version (use kubectl version) - 1.20.6

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nayan-mistry avatar Jan 18 '22 14:01 nayan-mistry

@nayan-mistry - thanks for the bug report!

When i run kubectl apply -f https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-kapp-controller/releases/latest/download/release.yml against my local minikube it works, so i'm not able to immediately reproduce.

Can you describe the platform provider and kubernetes distribution/flavor (aws, gcp, ...?)

Also per the output you provided, can you share the output of: kubectl get apiservices v1alpha1.data.packaging.carvel.dev -o yaml

this error often suggests that the kapp-controller process is unable to contact the main kubernetes control plane server due to network restrictions. or that the kubernetes control plane is unable to contact kapp-controller's apiserver.

joe-kimmel-vmw avatar Jan 19 '22 18:01 joe-kimmel-vmw

I have a similar problem (and assume this is only because in meanwhile the version is newer).

The error does not happen for me when I install tanzu-cluster-essentials on a PUBLIC gcloud gke cluster, it only happens on PRIVATE ones.

For reference, this reproduces the error:

  1. Create a vpc network "tanzu" with at least one subnet that is also called "tanzu"
  2. Create a private GKE cluster
gcloud container clusters create tanzu \
--network "projects/wgs-tekton-tools/global/networks/tanzu" \
--no-enable-master-authorized-networks \
--enable-ip-alias \
--enable-private-nodes \
--master-ipv4-cidr 172.16.0.32/28 \
--zone "europe-west3-a" \
--machine-type "c2-standard-4" \
--enable-master-global-access
  1. Grant the vpc network "tanzu" internet access by creating a Cloud NAT gateway. --> Verify internet access via k run -i --tty --rm test --image=busybox --restart=Never and then executing e.g.: wget https://github.com
  2. Follow https://network.tanzu.vmware.com/products/tanzu-cluster-essentials
  3. The install.sh then produces the following output:
5:42:15PM: ---- waiting on 1 changes [16/17 done] ----
5:42:50PM: ongoing: reconcile apiservice/v1alpha1.data.packaging.carvel.dev (apiregistration.k8s.io/v1) cluster
5:42:50PM:  ^ Condition Available is not True (False)
5:43:16PM: ---- waiting on 1 changes [16/17 done] ----
5:43:51PM: ongoing: reconcile apiservice/v1alpha1.data.packaging.carvel.dev (apiregistration.k8s.io/v1) cluster
5:43:51PM:  ^ Condition Available is not True (False)

kapp: Error: Timed out waiting after 15m0s

At similar time the logs from kap-controller pod:

{"level":"info","ts":1648913835.9361649,"logger":"kc.main","msg":"kapp-controller","version":"0.30.0"}
{"level":"info","ts":1648913835.936192,"logger":"kc.init","msg":"start init"}
{"level":"info","ts":1648913835.936211,"logger":"kc.init","msg":"starting zombie reaper"}
{"level":"info","ts":1648913836.005206,"logger":"kc.main","msg":"kapp-controller","version":"0.30.0"}
{"level":"info","ts":1648913836.0052266,"logger":"kc.controller","msg":"start controller"}
{"level":"info","ts":1648913836.0052297,"logger":"kc.controller","msg":"setting up manager"}
I0402 15:37:17.055809      15 request.go:645] Throttling request took 1.035127713s, request: GET:https://10.64.0.1:443/apis/coordination.k8s.io/v1?timeout=32s
{"level":"info","ts":1648913840.008808,"logger":"controller-runtime.metrics","msg":"metrics server is starting to listen","addr":":8080"}
{"level":"info","ts":1648913840.0089943,"logger":"kc.controller","msg":"setting up controller"}
{"level":"info","ts":1648913840.0168705,"logger":"kc.controller","msg":"setting up metrics"}
I0402 15:37:20.270452      15 serving.go:325] Generated self-signed cert (/home/kapp-controller/kc-agg-api-selfsigned-certs/kapp-controller.crt, /home/kapp-controller/kc-agg-api-selfsigned-certs/kapp-controller.key)
I0402 15:37:20.270616      15 apiserver.go:190] Syncing CA certificate with APIServices
I0402 15:37:20.701007      15 plugins.go:158] Loaded 2 mutating admission controller(s) successfully in the following order: NamespaceLifecycle,MutatingAdmissionWebhook.
I0402 15:37:20.701022      15 plugins.go:161] Loaded 1 validating admission controller(s) successfully in the following order: ValidatingAdmissionWebhook.
I0402 15:37:20.736361      15 requestheader_controller.go:169] Starting RequestHeaderAuthRequestController
I0402 15:37:20.736377      15 shared_informer.go:240] Waiting for caches to sync for RequestHeaderAuthRequestController
I0402 15:37:20.736392      15 configmap_cafile_content.go:202] Starting client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::client-ca-file
I0402 15:37:20.736396      15 shared_informer.go:240] Waiting for caches to sync for client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::client-ca-file
I0402 15:37:20.736405      15 configmap_cafile_content.go:202] Starting client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::requestheader-client-ca-file
I0402 15:37:20.736409      15 shared_informer.go:240] Waiting for caches to sync for client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::requestheader-client-ca-file
I0402 15:37:20.736665      15 secure_serving.go:202] Serving securely on [::]:10350
I0402 15:37:20.736674      15 dynamic_serving_content.go:130] Starting serving-cert::/home/kapp-controller/kc-agg-api-selfsigned-certs/kapp-controller.crt::/home/kapp-controller/kc-agg-api-selfsigned-certs/kapp-controller.key
I0402 15:37:20.736774      15 tlsconfig.go:240] Starting DynamicServingCertificateController
I0402 15:37:20.836734      15 shared_informer.go:247] Caches are synced for RequestHeaderAuthRequestController 
I0402 15:37:20.836736      15 shared_informer.go:247] Caches are synced for client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::requestheader-client-ca-file 
I0402 15:37:20.836746      15 shared_informer.go:247] Caches are synced for client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::client-ca-file 
{"level":"error","ts":1648913901.1874132,"logger":"kc.main","msg":"Exited run with error","error":"Starting API server: timed out after 1m0s waiting for api server to become healthy","stacktrace":"github.com/go-logr/zapr.(*zapLogger).Error\n\tgithub.com/go-logr/[email protected]/zapr.go:132\nmain.main\n\t./main.go:44\nruntime.main\n\truntime/proc.go:255"}
{"level":"error","ts":1648913901.1902664,"logger":"kc.init","msg":"Could not start controller","error":"exit status 1","stacktrace":"github.com/go-logr/zapr.(*zapLogger).Error\n\tgithub.com/go-logr/[email protected]/zapr.go:132\ngithub.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-kapp-controller/cmd/controllerinit.Run\n\tgithub.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-kapp-controller/cmd/controllerinit/run.go:38\nmain.main\n\t./main.go:51\nruntime.main\n\truntime/proc.go:255"}

kubectl get apiservices v1alpha1.data.packaging.carvel.dev -o yaml

apiVersion: apiregistration.k8s.io/v1
kind: APIService
metadata:
  annotations:
    kapp.k14s.io/identity: v1;/apiregistration.k8s.io/APIService/v1alpha1.data.packaging.carvel.dev;apiregistration.k8s.io/v1
    kapp.k14s.io/original: '{"apiVersion":"apiregistration.k8s.io/v1","kind":"APIService","metadata":{"labels":{"kapp.k14s.io/app":"1648913314565128660","kapp.k14s.io/association":"v1.8f4f97a034b82fceb38c3ec8217955e0"},"name":"v1alpha1.data.packaging.carvel.dev"},"spec":{"group":"data.packaging.carvel.dev","groupPriorityMinimum":100,"service":{"name":"packaging-api","namespace":"kapp-controller"},"version":"v1alpha1","versionPriority":100}}'
    kapp.k14s.io/original-diff-md5: f3adcd1607ee7b415a869b7180ed4358
  creationTimestamp: "2022-04-02T15:28:37Z"
  labels:
    kapp.k14s.io/app: "1648913314565128660"
    kapp.k14s.io/association: v1.8f4f97a034b82fceb38c3ec8217955e0
  name: v1alpha1.data.packaging.carvel.dev
  resourceVersion: "5441"
  uid: 1617fc19-7e4a-44b8-8bf2-d2fab6111b40
spec:
  caBundle: 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
  group: data.packaging.carvel.dev
  groupPriorityMinimum: 100
  service:
    name: packaging-api
    namespace: kapp-controller
    port: 443
  version: v1alpha1
  versionPriority: 100
status:
  conditions:
  - lastTransitionTime: "2022-04-02T15:28:37Z"
    message: endpoints for service/packaging-api in "kapp-controller" have no addresses
      with port name ""
    reason: MissingEndpoints
    status: "False"
    type: Available

running kubectl apply -f https://github.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-kapp-controller/releases/latest/download/release.yml after the failed installation produces simliar output:

{"level":"info","ts":1648914482.3227222,"logger":"kc","msg":"Waiting for caches to sync for client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::client-ca-file\n"}
{"level":"info","ts":1648914482.3231158,"logger":"kc","msg":"Serving securely on [::]:10350\n"}
{"level":"info","ts":1648914482.323177,"logger":"kc","msg":"Starting DynamicServingCertificateController"}
{"level":"info","ts":1648914482.3232036,"logger":"kc","msg":"Waiting for caches to sync for client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::requestheader-client-ca-file\n"}
{"level":"info","ts":1648914482.3232286,"logger":"kc","msg":"Starting API Priority and Fairness config controller\n"}
{"level":"info","ts":1648914482.422962,"logger":"kc","msg":"Caches are synced for RequestHeaderAuthRequestController \n"}
{"level":"info","ts":1648914482.4240189,"logger":"kc","msg":"Caches are synced for client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::client-ca-file \n"}
{"level":"info","ts":1648914482.4240532,"logger":"kc","msg":"Caches are synced for client-ca::kube-system::extension-apiserver-authentication::requestheader-client-ca-file \n"}
{"level":"info","ts":1648914482.424103,"logger":"kc","msg":"Running API Priority and Fairness config worker\n"}
{"level":"error","ts":1648914542.7522597,"logger":"kc.main","msg":"Exited run with error","error":"Starting API server: timed out after 1m0s waiting for api server to become healthy. Check the status by running `kubectl get apiservices v1alpha1.data.packaging.carvel.dev -o yaml`","stacktrace":"runtime.main\n\truntime/proc.go:255"}
{"level":"error","ts":1648914542.7551491,"logger":"kc.init","msg":"Could not start controller","error":"exit status 1","stacktrace":"main.main\n\tgithub.com/vmware-tanzu/carvel-kapp-controller/cmd/main.go:53\nruntime.main\n\truntime/proc.go:255"}

which also results in a Crashloop.

It would be really great if tanzu could be installed a private GKE cluster, since otherwise each kubernetes node consumes a public IP (and there is only a very limited set up pulblic IPs available)!

gerrnot avatar Apr 02 '22 16:04 gerrnot

@gerrnot thanks for the repro steps, I'll take a look

benmoss avatar Apr 11 '22 13:04 benmoss

@gerrnot your issue turns out to be very similar to https://github.com/cert-manager/cert-manager/issues/2109

If you create a firewall rule allowing ingress from the control plane to the workers on 10350 this will be fixed:

gcloud compute --project=wgs-tekton-tools firewall-rules create wgs-tekton-tools-kctrl --direction=INGRESS --priority=1000 --network=tanzu --action=ALLOW --rules=tcp:10350 --source-ranges=172.16.0.32/28 --target-tags=gke-tanzu-cf831963-node

you'll need to set gke-tanzu-cf831963-node to whatever the network tag for your node pool VMs are

benmoss avatar Apr 11 '22 15:04 benmoss

@benmoss : Thanks a lot! As the OP also clicked the celebrate button, I think this can be closed.

gerrnot avatar Apr 12 '22 07:04 gerrnot

I don't think that was @nayan-mistry unfortunately 😄 . We'll leave it open and see if they respond with more details.

benmoss avatar Apr 12 '22 14:04 benmoss