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[QUESTION] State of nxflat
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Hello all,
Been reading the docs lately, both the "new" one (the one in the current nuttx tree) and the old one (https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NUTTX/Nuttx).
There is detailed documentation about nxflat, reasoning, usage, pros/cons.
But, looking at what is currently in the nuttx tree makes me wonder if it is still supported, or completely abandoned.
binfmthad two distinct directories,libnxflatandlibelf.- the
libelfcurrently resides inlibs/libc/libelf(sometime ago it used to be calledmodlibif I'm not mistaken?) libnxflatstays untouched in thebinfmtdir, which led me to think there is no more interest for it
- the
- With the current suggested nuttx workspace layout,
nxflatcannot be used.- The source code for
nxflatcan be added to the final nuttx target/bin file, but no tooling present to actually build the nxflat compatible file, that can be written to the device and loaded by the nuttx binary - Those tools still resides at https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/buildroot/src/master/, but the whole concept of buildroot toolchain seems scraped
- The source code for
Outside the mailing list and other forms of mails, there is small to none additional info about the state of nxflat.
So my question is, what happened to nxflat file format, seems deprecated or abandoned in the nuttx tree.
Is it recommended for new designs, should we avoid it?
If this is indeed the case, I would suggest at least mentioning this in the current documentation, or schedule it for removal, as it being present is misleading for newcomers. I could find much more documentation about nxflat compared to the elf alternative.
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@tinnedkarma I think your observations are mostly correct. I think nxflat was a project from @patacongo that started even before NuttX. But I think nobody is using it currently and if I remember correctly there were some issues presenting it to work with current gcc toolchains (it needs a specific toolchain that Greg was compiling using buildroot).
I agree with your suggestion if there is not simple way to fix it. Maybe you can take a look, since you raised this question :-)
Did you try to compile and use it?
Hello @acassis,
I've stopped relatively quick to get the example working, after finding out what the necessary tools were no longer moved in the current tree.
I'll give the example another try, with recent gcc toolchain on stm32f103, see if it behaves differently, but the issue was reported after gcc 4.3.3 so there little hope to get it working on newer versions
https://groups.google.com/g/nuttx/c/bQX8F8lvSOo
Hi @tinnedkarma there are my interesting information in this thread you found. Maybe @michi-jung can refresh about this test with this subject.
The NxFlat tools are available here: https://bitbucket.org/nuttx/buildroot/src/master/toolchain/nxflat/ They are embedded with some other tools be can easily be extracted.
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Hi @tinnedkarmahttps://github.com/tinnedkarma there are my interesting information in this thread you found. Maybe @michi-junghttps://github.com/michi-jung can refresh about this test with this subject.
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Some minor corrections. NxFlat was created after NuttX. It has a predecessor call XFlat that you may be thinking of https://sourceforge.net/projects/xflat/
The only GCC issue is that there was a sequence of several GCC release that were broken but have long since been fixed. It should be ready to use. The current GCC AFAIK is fine.
References (old): https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NUTTX/NxFlat https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=139630111 (includes a discussion of the toolchain issues
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@tinnedkarmahttps://github.com/tinnedkarma I think your observations are mostly correct. I think nxflat was a project from @patacongohttps://github.com/patacongo that started even before NuttX. But I think nobody is using it currently and if I remember correctly there were some issues presenting it to work with current gcc toolchains (it needs a specific toolchain that Greg was compiling using buildroot).
I agree with your suggestion if there is not simple way to fix it. Maybe you can take a look, since you raised this question :-)
Did you try to compile and use it?
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Thank you @patacongo !!! In fact I confused it with xflat that came earlier
Nuttx now supports loading ELFs using a PIC (Position Independent Code) approach. This allows ELFs stored in ROMFS or TMPFS to be run via XIP. An example is available here: https://nuttx.apache.org/docs/latest/platforms/arm/mps/boards/mps3-an547/index.html
It can load PIC ELFs or run the entire Nuttx image as a PIC. @tinnedkarma
