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Some demos need `setPAL` since the new default is now NTSC

Open limi opened this issue 11 months ago • 9 comments

Some of the demos that are not in WHDLoad containers get confused when the standard is NTSC. We can probably fix these with setPAL in the launch scripts. Currently identified as having issues:

  • Coda
  • Electric Lifeforms
  • Boris Vallejo (slideshow)
  • Preschool I & II (music disks)

limi avatar Jan 05 '25 18:01 limi

Running the demos in alphabetical order via [By Title], I've tested the "#" and "A" sections so far.

The following exhibited issues where the demo would not run:

4th & Inches: Fails to load.

Absolute Inebriation: Hangs on white screen.

April in Paris: Hangs on white screen.

The Red: Fails to load.

IainMcNulty avatar Jan 07 '25 15:01 IainMcNulty

Running the demos in alphabetical order via [By Title], I tested "B" today.

The following exhibited issues where the demo would not run:

Bingo: Fails to load.

IainMcNulty avatar Jan 10 '25 22:01 IainMcNulty

Running the demos in alphabetical order via [By Title], I tested "C", "D", and "E".

The following exhibited issues where the demo would not run:

Coda: Fails to load.

Columbia: Hangs on white screen.

Drama Motion Beauty: Hangs on white screen.

E255: Hangs on white screen.

Electric Lifeforms: Hangs on black screen.

Elysium: Fails to load.

Exclusive Galore: Hangs on white screen.

IainMcNulty avatar Jan 24 '25 09:01 IainMcNulty

Yeah, I think there are a lot more edge cases than we expected. I think I’ll revert everything back to PAL on boot, if we are going to do this change in the future, it will require a ton of work and testing. Unlucky that I didn’t encounter any of these on my initial testing of the change.

limi avatar Jan 25 '25 12:01 limi

Question: Were all of the demos in Amigavision tested before the change was made?

I think there is still value in continuing to test so that we know which demos are incompatible. I'll be happy to continue to until you tell me otherwise.

IainMcNulty avatar Jan 25 '25 12:01 IainMcNulty

No, I just tested a random selection of demos and games, and unfortunately they all worked, so I assumed it wouldn’t be an issue — which it turns out it is.

I think it’s better if we just put it back to PAL by default. There’s going to be a ton of games that can run into this too, and I don’t think it’s worth the substantial effort to get them all to work.

limi avatar Jan 28 '25 12:01 limi

Apart from the fact, that most, apart from the very early USA games, it was PAL all the way, both game releases and demo releases all being done in the UK, or other Europe PAL counties. :)

niallquinn71 avatar Jan 29 '25 23:01 niallquinn71

No. I guess I should add this somewhere more permanent, but that is not true:

https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?p=94657#p94657

limi avatar Jan 31 '25 04:01 limi

Apart from the fact, that most, apart from the very early USA games, it was PAL all the way, both game releases and demo releases all being done in the UK, or other Europe PAL counties. :)

That's a really common and frequent statement...but it's unfortunately also quite incorrect.

Roughly 37% of the (commercial retail) Amiga games library was in fact US publisher and developer in origin.

rhester72 avatar Feb 21 '25 15:02 rhester72

We have reverted to PAL as the default boot setting in 2025.05.05

limi avatar May 05 '25 20:05 limi